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Comment on Twitch immediately rescinds its artistic nudity policy

simple@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

There are a million sites one can go for camgirls and strip teases, and Twitch shouldn’t be one of them. It’s a site about gaming streams. The only reason Twitch did this in the first place is to try and save face when people accused them of disproportionately banning female streamers.

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BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Dunno, I’ve been using twitch since it was Justintv, it used to be a site about pay per view streams, free satellite TV and sometimes porn.

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NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Which is not “artistic nudity”. Unless you are one of those loonies who protests outside of museums.

Rather than actually moderate the people abusing it because GASP women might wear something other than a burka*, it just became a blanket ban like it used to be. Except video games still get the exception because God specifically wrote on the ten commandments that we are allowed to see dick and titties in a GTA but can never see one in a painting.

*: Seriously. How do those fucks survive walking down the street? Let alone going to a beach

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- simple@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  First of all, it was under Twitch’s version of “artistic nudity” which is part of why they rescinded the statement
  
  And you either allow something or you don’t. Part of the reason this whole fiasco happened is because Twitch wasn’t very clear on what was and wasn’t allowed. If you allow artistic nudity paintings, what’s going to stop people from saying hentai is just artistic nudity? Or AI generated porn, like the article was talking about? It’s a pain in the ass, and Twitch isn’t the place for it despite the discussion anyways…
  
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  - NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    You use similar rules to how video games are allowed. Or like how art actually is handled
    
    Because, if you go to an art museum? Odds are you are going to see a nipple and maybe even some breastfeeding (the scandal of it all!). Hell, you might even see stuff like the fisherman’s wife and the like. But you probably aren’t going to see gaping vag and people riding sybians.
    
    Believe it or not, it isn’t a hard problem when people act in good faith. Rather than just immediately noping out because a bunch of assholes are too immature to understand that “artistic nudity” is actually a concept.
    
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    simple@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I’m not saying there’s no such thing as artistic nudity, I’m saying that believe it or not Twitch ISN’T a curated art museum and believe it or not people DID use it in bad faith to make pole dancing streams, strip teasing streams, streams where they generate nude AI images, etc.
    
    Believe it or not, it isn’t a hard problem when people act in good faith. Rather than just immediately noping out because a bunch of assholes
    
    That’s hilarious, because calling everyone who doesn’t agree with you an asshole isn’t a good faith argument
    
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    InquisitiveApathy@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    The commenter is being a jerk, but you’re misinterpreting the point they’re trying to make. Twitch has a had a lot of issues with rules enforcement since the introduction of the ‘Just Chatting’ section when it comes to sexual content. What’s considered acceptable has only ever been nebulously defined in the TOS really.
    
    Because of this a lot of disproportionate bans have happened on women simply for existing, largely affecting smaller streamers because large ones generally just get a slap on the wrist. On the other side of the spectrum the rules have also allowed for a lot of loopholes being taken advantage of, like for example the hottub craze. The other commenter is not exaggerating when they are saying that people stream themselves pole dancing and doing strip teases.
    
    Whether you agree or disagree on the level of sexualization that should be allowed on the platform, what’s considered acceptable use definitely needs to be more rigidly defined for the benefit of everyone.
    
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- Caradoc879@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  To be fair Rockstar was really the company that normalized nudity in games. Not that is is normalized, I can only think of a handful of companies that have done it in mainstream games. Cd project red gamed and that Conan exiles or whatever mmo where you get a dick? Honestly can’t think of others.
  
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  - NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Like most things, “eurojank” and PC games had been doing it for decades since then. In large part because, once you get out of the US, nudity is just a thing as opposed to THE GREATEST THREAT TO HUMANITY BECAUSE BABY JESUS!!!
    
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    LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    This is a very Eurocentric statement. Many other countries in the world actually have more restrictive rules and mores around nudity than the US does.
    
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  - grue@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Nudity has been normalized in video games since at least Custer’s Revenge for the Atari 2600, if not earlier.
    
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    SCB@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Shout-out to Seanbaby’s amazing review of this game (among others)
    
    www.seanbaby.com/nes/nes/egm09.htm
    
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SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
There is nothing wrong with nudity.

People clutching their pearls about it is the problem.

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- simple@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  There is nothing wrong with nudity.
  
  Lol so every site should feature nudity now? Will you be happy when Twitch turns into onlyfans? As if there aren’t enough places on the internet someone can go to for showing off their body.
  
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  - blunderworld@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Unless its specifically marketed at children, every site should be able to show nudity, yes. Were all human beings with the same parts; let’s get over ourselves already.
    
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  - SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    If you don’t want to see it don’t look.
    
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    simple@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    How about if you want to see it, go look for it? You’re really suggesting they should add nudity on my feed and I should just look away?
    
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  - 4am@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Jesus Karen, calm the fuck down.
    
    “Twitch relaxed rules about artwork with nudity, it’ll be HARDCORE PORN KIDS ARE FORCED TO WATCH BY THE END OF THE WEEK!”
    
    Your fucking inner incel is showing.
    
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    simple@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Yikes, you’re projecting so hard
    
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- wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  There’s a big fucking difference between basic nudity and sexualized content, and I’m exhausted by people like you pretending there isn’t and that this is some sort of puritamical crusade against the bodies that we all have.
  
  It’s some disingenuous bullshit that I’m having a harder time believing isn’t intentional muddying of the waters by coom brained porn addicts the more I hear it repeated.
  
  If you think that plain nudity made twitch rescind this, or that the majority of people against this shit are against nudity itself, you’re sorely mistaken. I’m tired of sexualized content fucking everywhere, especially on video sites like youtube and Twitch that have content that targets children (most game streams and video content) right the hell next to people doing bikini jumping jacks in the shower.
  
  Porn exists. I enjoy it. I don’t need the lines blurred between it and other content by people out to make a quick buck off the pathetic people being tricked into paying for it by parasocial grifting.
  
  Context matters, and Twitch already had a glut of streamers using it purely as an on ramp to their OnlyFans and other paypig sites before this harebrained shit.
  
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  - luthis@lemmy.nz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Fucking on the money. (actually… literally)
    
    There’s a big fucking difference between basic nudity and sexualized content, and I’m exhausted by people like you pretending there isn’t and that this is some sort of puritamical crusade against the bodies that we all have.
    
    Exactly.
    
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    SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    It might help if you jerk off to clear your head before you post things on the internet.
    
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  - SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    coom brained porn addicts
    
    This is all I need to read from that essay.
    
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    wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Thank you for self selecting out of the discussion, although I don’t understand your need to broadcast it.
    
    Legitimately confused here. Did you think making this comment would make you look cool, get you upvotes or something?
    
    Adds nothing to the conversation unless you’re willing to expand on why that phrase affected you the way it did.
    
    Fuck it. Lets throw some sass. Did it hit too close to home, or do you just assume there’s enough people who have the same views as you that they’ll understand your vague as hell attempt to throw shade?
    
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killeronthecorner@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Your description of twitch makes me suspect you haven’t even used it.

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4am@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Gatekeep harder

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