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felykiosa@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
I agree twitch is stuck but for me they shouldn’t allow more nudity. Even if they put it in different categories. It s not a problem of puritanism , it s just that kid will have a direct access to literals strip stream , and your twitch account is directly linked with your amazon account and your cc. I have absolutely not problel with site like chaturbate , because you have to search for it , its completely clear on the content and even if of course there are kids who will browse it , well its more" difficult " to pay on it . Oh and btw on twitch the streamer is way closer to the chat than on any cam site the line between streamer and porn is too blur.
Artyom@lemm.ee 6 months ago
webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 6 months ago
Is it really that hard for twitch to create an option to mark a stream as mature only Allowing 16+ accounts? (Should be mature enough for erotic non porn)
Kids who lie about their age know what there doing and require more parental oversight when signing up to a platform.
DoomBot5@lemmy.world 6 months ago
That’s already a thing, but 18+ like the law states. Streamers can mark their streams mature and it shows you a warning and disclaimer. Only twitch needs is kids accounts with the option for a parent to disable access to those streams.
stembolts@programming.dev 6 months ago
I don’t understand, children cannot see nudity? Is it bad for them?
brygphilomena@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Personally, I don’t care about nudity.
My concerns are with normalizing hypersexualization. Both in the way that it turns normal nudity into some erotic situation which leads to nursing mothers being explicit and in the way it teaches people, and in particular children, that behaviour towards sex workers is normal behaviour to have when dealing with people outside of sex work. Including those sex workers.
Having some gate between regular content and erotic content can help establish a line that easy for people, and children, to understand. If a streamer doesn’t turn off the camera to change and he or she is nude on stream, I don’t care about. If a streamer does a strip tease for the outfit change, I’d want a separation or warning. I don’t think it should be blocked, but sexualization and nudity are different things and should be treated differently. Sexuality should be a very opt-in process.
theKalash@feddit.ch 6 months ago
I very much agree with you, but I’m not sure the concept easily translates to online media.
I’ve gone to nudist waterparks since I was 14, and my mother sometimes took me to the sauna at an even younger age, so basically grew up with non-sexualised nudity. But it took some social feedback to learn it, like learning the difference between looking and staring.
That last aspect is lost when it comes to streaming or videos. There is nothing preventing you from sexualising any nudity on screen.
webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 6 months ago
They absolutely can and even should be exposed to healthy non sexualized human bodies but all is depending on the context.
I dont think people who are to young to understand topics like consent and objectification have any business on stream made for erotic tinted pleasure because we cant expect them to behave mature about the content and towards the streamer. Thats even a problem for adults but we simply should know better, kids cant and will at worst imitate toxic adult behavior offline.
I also put the age at 16 because i think 18 is to unrealistic and depending on maturity much younger teens may have the right level of maturity but we cant really know that when allowing people acces to such streams.
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
Thank you for acknowledging this. So many people grossly oversimplify objections to this into some sort of prudish anti-nudity thing. That’s not it, they’re arguing against strawmen.
I have an issue with the ongoing sexualization of content available to children, and I have precisely negative faith in Twitch’s ability to properly discriminate between “artistic” and not.
stembolts@programming.dev 6 months ago
I think you make some good points, I’m a bit torn on this topic and am not sure what to think yet. I do however agree that preventing the user from hiding any topic they don’t want to see is harmful.
Platforms need to add common-sense controls like category blocking and family modes (which the user can craft themselves).
My biggest complaint here is the platform deciding what I want to watch.
Patch@feddit.uk 6 months ago
There’s a huge difference between nudity in the neutral sense of “no clothes on” and erotica (which may or may not involve nudity, but usually does).
My kids see nudity all the time. They see me and their mum nude in the mornings when we’re getting dressed, they see people nude in the changing rooms at the swimming pool, they undoubtedly see other kids nude at nursery in the course of the day. That’s all normal and healthy.
That’s not the same as letting my 3 year old watch porn.
Porn is a complex subject even for adults, and absolutely needs an adult perspective to contextualise it, understand it, and potentially recognise when something about it is seriously wrong. This is something that is perfectly reasonable to limit to adults.
CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 6 months ago
I don’t think people care about the nudity as much as they care about the intent behind the nudity. Streamers seem to be edging as close to the line of porn as they can in order to gain views and money. This isn’t someone simply walking around a beach without a top on.
I don’t care if people want to fingerbang or jack themselves on cam while playing Zelda, but don’t fucking blend it in and recommend it to people on a site specifically designed for children. That’s what turns it from “someone seeking it out on their own” (as with the availability of porn on the rest of the internet) to “let’s shove it in your face to boost our quarterly profits during an economic slump.” People can claim that this all should be prevented by rules and tags but let’s be real people are going to do whatever they can to skirt the rules and standout from the crowd and no human being is actually going to be moderating any of this just like with YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, or any other similar site.
Gljvf@lemmy.today 6 months ago
Also I think parents want to know when an app has nudity. Twitch is rated 14 plus on Google play store. Parents wouldn’t expect nudity on it.
Also this was already walked back likely because disney and other advertisers didn’t want thier ads to run in front of nudity / porn