Agreed. Instances always have the option to defederate with Threads should it prove spammy or ad-filled or socially awful, but I'm cautiously optimistic that Threads will pave the way for a more open social media paradigm in general. Decentralization is a core tenet of Web3, and everyone started focusing on the block chain and Bitcoins and whatnot but there's so much more to decentralization than that.
Comment on Threads is officially starting to test ActivityPub integration
misk@sopuli.xyz 6 months ago
Pretty cool. I keep saying that this is a win for open standards and Meta probably does this to appease EU regulators. It’s no surprise that this happens as Threads launches In Europe.
ryan@the.coolest.zone 6 months ago
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Why in the world are you cautiously optimistic? What would give you the idea that meta would do anything but what’s in their shareholder’s interest. My biggest question is, do we know if activitypub is secure enough to keep them out of its software?
dumpsterlid@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I don’t think it’s fair to preemptively assume meta is going to be evil here, where is the evidence?
If a bear was charging you that you had just watched murder a bunch of people would you just assume it was going to attack you? What evidence would you have for that?
Personally, I think large corporations have a wonderful track record with treating the public commons as a shared resource to nurture and maintain not a coal vein in the ground to ruthlessly extract :)
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
How convenient, I just posted this, lol.
shortwavesurfer@monero.town 6 months ago
Though this is more federation with a wheel and spoke model than true decentralization where each pier communicates with other piers directly. Each have their place for sure, but they cannot be interchanged because they are not the same thing.
sverit@feddit.de 6 months ago
Pretty cool at first glance. Not so cool when they have pulled in enough users and then remove the federation.
misk@sopuli.xyz 6 months ago
They have orders of magnitude more users than all Mastodon instances combined already.
Ashe@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
Part of that is only because any and all Instagram accounts are also considered Threads accounts. I have a feeling active users is probably in a similar ballpark
misk@sopuli.xyz 6 months ago
BS. There are 140 mil Threads accounts and over 2 bil Instagram accounts. You can create Threads account with Instagram and for a time they couldn’t be decouple but that changed too.
atocci@kbin.social 6 months ago
I'm looking forward to federation. My stance on it is that I don't want to use Threads, but I want to follow and interact with the people who do. Best of both worlds like this.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Yep, can’t wait to be able to personally defederate from them, I hope that option comes soon.
meldrik@lemmy.wtf 6 months ago
I see it as an opportunity to tell people on Threads to leave Threads and use an open platform, such as Mastodon, instead. Then eventually Threads will shut down, because everyone moved :D
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Won’t they have control over their instance though? I’m sure they’re going to run it like Reddit and shadow ban the shit out of their users and also not let them see certain stuff…
Kbin_space_program@kbin.social 6 months ago
Far more likely to lean on their infrastructure advantage and add things like image and video hosting on-platform that the Fediverse can't do now.
Then oncensecured, they can defederate from the actual fediverse and take the whole thing private.
sour@kbin.social 6 months ago
people don’t join because complicated
DaDragon@kbin.social 6 months ago
Why would you want to defederate at all? It’s akin to hiding your head in the sand, except done on a community-wide scale. Just because you can’t see the nazi over there in the bushes doesn’t mean he isn’t squatting there, observing you.
sour@kbin.social 6 months ago
is facebook
why wouldn’t you want to defederate
Aatube@kbin.social 6 months ago
bc there's people on the other side :)
TrumpetX@programming.dev 6 months ago
Read this for an idea as to why people are against letting Meta federate: ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-ne…
It’s not a cut and dry yes or no for me.
atocci@kbin.social 6 months ago
I might be looking at this wrong, so please let me know why if I am, but I don't understand the argument that Google killed XMPP. The protocol existed before Google and still existed after Google. I assume the number of people using the XMPP protocol before Google implemented it was small. Then for a little while, Google added all of their users into the network who could now message all the "pure" XMPP users who were already there. After that though, when Google left the protocol and took all its users that weren't using XMPP before then anyway, how did that kill it? Would you not still have the same group of XMPP users who were there before Google? Anyone you could chat with before you could still chat with now.
Spaghetti_Hitchens@kbin.social 6 months ago
Obviously we will have to see what sort of content comes in from Threads, but knowing Meta, they will be serving a lot of ads in it. So instances will effectively be distributing Meta ads for free.
misk@sopuli.xyz 6 months ago
It’s like blocking e-mails from Google. People can’t take a win.
sudneo@lemmy.world 6 months ago
To be honest, not a great argument, considering that the hidden magic that Google and a handful of big players do, specifically in relation to spam, is what made emails substantially an oligopoly. Today if you want to run an email server, you need to jump 20 hoops to hope your email will ever reach the mailbox of someone on Gmail. Emails were supposed to be a distributed protocol too…
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
He already is, this is all open? They will include people’s numbers in their “awesome wave of the future” and I don’t want that. The more people ignore them and isolate them, the more they won’t have power over everyone.
Aatube@kbin.social 6 months ago
What are “people’s numbers”? What power would they have if we didn’t defederate?
Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 6 months ago
You mean as instance blocking? Because the Lemmy devs have stated that it’s not going to work the way everybody’s assuming it’s going to work.
So far the way that it’s been laid out it’ll only block communities on that Lemmy Instance, users will not be filtered.
That’s ignoring the fact that Lemmy’s blocking system is already flawed in it’s design and isn’t really an effective tool against malicious users.
So we really shouldn’t treat blocking even of instances as personal defederation, because it isn’t and unless something really changes and Lemmy’s development it never will be. You can on Mastodon because Mastodon’s blocking system is much harsher as well as the fact that federation highly depends on following, but lemmy works much differently and also has a significantly weaker blocking system (I should also add it does not respect mastodon’s blocking system) so because of that being able to block instances should not and cannot be considered an alternative to defederation, especially when it comes to malicious instances.