Using someone’s preferred pronouns isn’t woke, it’s basic human decency.
Basic human decency is woke.
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dojan@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Using someone’s preferred pronouns isn’t woke, it’s basic human decency.
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
tias@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
These terms tend to get abused by jerks so much that they start to mean something else. I have seen too many people identifying as “woke” who use bullying as a method of getting their way, lack compassion for anyone who doesn’t share their views, shaming others, and are generally tribalistic.
Basic human decency would be to see the person behind a political view and understand that they have fears and pains, to be curious about them and try to understand where they’re coming from. And then talk with them from a place of compassion. We’re all a product of our genes and experiences, and everybody is a hero in their own story.
ram@bookwormstory.social 11 months ago
Elon too, while misguided, wants to do good
There’s no reason to believe this.
But look at how his dad has treated him growing up
An explanation as to why someone’s a bad person doesn’t make them less bad.
Plus I’m pretty sure he’s neurodivergent.
He’s autistic. Most autistic people aren’t narcissistic megalomaniacs, and if they are, they should be called out for it.
If anybody wants to get him to see the error of his ways, more abusive language is certainly not going to help.
A moot point, he will not accept anything but the yes men he grew up around and lived the last 52 years being applauded by.
He’s being pushed into a corner and in his mind he sees a world that is increasingly broken by vile people who don’t understand him or his vision for improving the world.
I do understand his vision, and the vision is broken and harmful.
Elon has in fact done a lot of good for the world, but he needs people he trust to keep his feet on the ground.
He has? Like his racially segregated factories? Or the monkeys he experiments on the brains of?
That can’t be achieved by chastising him, but by praising the things he does well and getting him to spend more time among “normal” people and good role models
This is ineffective with people in such a power position.
In the meantime though, to protect the world from powerful broken men, we need regulation to keep them fenced off.
Agreed.
Ultimately, Elon Musk is a genuinely harmful and bad person, who is both uncritically malicious to those who dare criticize him, and is incredibly foolish at every endeavour he involves himself in. “His” successes come as a result of people he hired walling him off in his companies so that he continues to invest in technologies while being blind to any important part of production he might find interesting enough to meddle in.
Your take on him is one I can empathize with, and I even held myself for a while, but at the end of the day, it’s a benefit of the doubt he expressly does not deserve.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yeah I want to believe everyone including him is actively a moral actor trying to make the best world they can, but I know better. His motivations aren’t subtle. He desperately wants to be admired and seen as cool and smart. That’s fine when handled responsibly, but he isn’t. He left his wife once he became rich. He went on a crusade against trans people when his daughter came out as trans and said she hates billionaires. He’s become 4chan because when he says shitty right wing bullshit they praise him. He’s probably still seeing himself as a bullied nerd getting picked on by people cooler than him, or maybe he sees it as he’s getting his nerds revenge. But either way, it’s clear he’s more concerned with being the underdog hero of his favorite type of story than building a world worth living in.
Necronomicommunist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
Maybe this is somehow enlightening to someone who has never considered someone they (morally, religiously, ethically, politically) oppose human, but I am aware of all this and recognise that Elon Musk is still a piece of shit whose bigotry has made him hated in public and his private life. Over and over he makes the choice to be a dog turd, and that’s not somehow the fault of wokies, even when they’re misguided. He’s not a 4 year old that just needs to be gentle parented. He’s a full-grown adult that needs to stop perpetually throwing temper tantrums when someone disagrees with him.
tias@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
But he’s not going to do that. Stop thinking in terms of whose fault it is and instead think about what is effective. Yes, the racist is a bigot but hes also right: the treatment he was subjected to did result in him becoming more racist. So if you truly want fewer racists in the world, look for another strategy that is preferably supported by science.
gila@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Bollocks. I don’t believe you have seen too many people identifying as woke. People that hold the beliefs you’re talking about don’t generally identify as woke. You’re talking about attitudes attributed to wokedom entirely by conservatives trying to rile up their base. They’re using moral panic via the culture war to politically destabilise in an environment where they have no policy to bring to the table that anyone wants, and you’ve fallen for it. Go consume some actual leftist content and try to critique it the way you are now in good faith. You won’t be able to.
tias@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
I don’t consume much right-wing content, this is mostly from interacting with people online who have a right wing/woke agenda.
Saltblue@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Motherfuckers calling each other by their online nicknames since wow released in 2004, now complaining about someone asking to be called certain way.
ours@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Internet nicknames are way older than that.
Klear@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
But not those motherfuckers.
Saltblue@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yeah I know, but internet used to be more of a niche space, WoW made more mainstream the whole thing.
Mango@lemmy.world 11 months ago
As a straight dude, I’m not about to call another dude ‘miss’. Don’t force me into your convention.
djsoren19@yiffit.net 11 months ago
Cool, then call a woman miss, because that’s what trans women fucking are. Women.
And calling trans men dude is still very fine, since they are men. I think you actually could manage this very basic level of human decency.
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
As a straight dude, if another dude insisting seeing a woman’s genitals before calling her ‘miss’ I would punch him in the face.
Saltblue@lemmy.world 11 months ago
As a straight dude
Damn, that closet must be damp with all the sweat and cum.
Zink@programming.dev 11 months ago
Ah yes, because acting with basic decency towards a [TYPE OF PERSON] definitely means you must be a little bit [TYPE OF PERSON] too.
Mango@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I don’t hate them and I don’t do that with me or against me nonsense. I’m just not gonna play along with their fantasy. There’s a lot of things I’m not and wish I were but I don’t get the benefit of making everyone around me pretend that’s the case so I can keep myself in an illusion.
habanhero@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
It is not anti-woke, which by anti-woke logic means it’s woke.
gila@lemm.ee 11 months ago
What does woke actually mean to you in this context? Are you just referring to the way convervatives have appropriated it? Because that’s exactly what woke is
VampyreOfNazareth@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Hello fellow meatbag
wagesj45@kbin.social 11 months ago
Tomato, tomato, as far as they're concerned.
eating3645@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Tomato, tomato translates hilariously poorly in text, I’m dying
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Let me finish you off. Potato, potato
SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I’m close, keep going.
kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com 11 months ago
tom8o tom@o
veniasilente@lemm.ee 11 months ago
tomæto, tœmato
eating3645@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You, sir, are a genius
hansl@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Tomahto, Tomayto.
SaintWacko@midwest.social 11 months ago
Wait what no that’s backwards