Yes. They sued Valve with allegation that they are too successful by providing good service. Sure 30% for some developers, but solution is quite simple… don’t sell on Steam. Problem solved. Go to Epic, GoG, bunch of others. Hell every company now has its own launcher and store.
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blazera@kbin.social 7 months ago
So is the allegation just that Steam is too successful?
MeanEYE@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Theharpyeagle@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Nah, it’s mean old valve making it so people aren’t flocking to publish their games on UPlay.
MeanEYE@lemmy.world 7 months ago
What’s saddest of all is the fact they are willing to throw millions on this litigation instead of spending that money on improving the service. They claim it’s for the good of all users, but their actions tell different story.
Wilzax@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Or even just make it more expensive on steam, if you really want 100% of the revenue for every sale. Pass the cost of using steam on to the user and offer the game on other (worse) markets at a markdown.
MeanEYE@lemmy.world 7 months ago
There could be a clause in terms of use that Steam won’t allow developers to make their games most expensive on Steam, or at least cheaper than elsewhere.
Fosheze@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Developers already do that fairly often. Typically indie devs. They will sell their game directly for lower prices than listed on steam.
blue_zephyr@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Pretty much. Meanwhile other stores engage in actual behaviour that deserves an anti-trust lawsuit like buying up developer studio’s and making their games exclusive to their own platforms. Or paying devs to make games exclusive to their store temporarily. You know, things that actually screw the consumer over.
Rose@lemmy.world 7 months ago
How’s In the Valley of Gods doing?
gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
Legit, I’ve never heard of anti-competetive practices from Valve. Anti-consumer? Sometimes, yeah, though they do a lot more right than most
The argument seems to be that “30% cut is too high” but it’s not like there aren’t other options if you think that’s too high. Epic loves to pay for games to be exclusive there, humble and gog exist, one could even go the retro route and set up their own website (though that’s prolly the dumb idea), itch.io comes to mind…
If Valve HAS done some shady shit to ensure their major market share I’d be down to hear it, but to me as a PC gamer since '10ish (and had PC gamer friends since 06) it seems they got there through being a not complete garbage heap of a company that actually improved over the years on user feedback, which is supposed to be the good example of capitalism innit?
blazera@kbin.social 7 months ago
Taking a high cut is the opposite of anti-competitive, that makes it easier for competitors to offer a better deal
Spedwell@lemmy.world 7 months ago
…unless you have a policy that requires other marketplaces to sell at the same price as on Steam, undercutting the ability for “better deals” to exist at all.
Which is what the lawsuit is actually arguing is going on.
blazera@kbin.social 7 months ago
or what?
Carighan@lemmy.world 7 months ago
If 30% we’re too high, surely just by offering a competitor that takes a lot less if a cut (say, 12,%), developers would flock to thst competitor because it saves them so much money, right?
Right, Sweeney?
yukijoou@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 months ago
yeah, i think the 30% is fair enough, given the amount of stuff you get as a user by using steam, like
i honestly feel like while they’re a monopoly, they don’t do anything other companies can’t do, their cut goes to fund features others simply don’t provide, so it’s entierly fair for them to be more expensive than the competition
Maalus@lemmy.world 7 months ago
echo64@lemmy.world 7 months ago
People don’t buy games on the competitors, but yes may developers did flock to epic, which made everyone hate epic.
Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
Eh, more like Epic approached them with a suitcase full of money, that’s very different.
hypna@lemmy.world 7 months ago
People don’t hate on Epic because their store has content. They hate on Epic because they tried to buy market share with exclusivity deals. Nobody wants PC gaming to turn into the streaming services.
blahsay@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Hah if 30% is deemed too much the apple app store and pretty much any retail is going to be next. Steam is popular because they don’t pull this nonsense. At 70% growth p/a why bother too
sirdorius@programming.dev 7 months ago
I’m also curious what the allegations are. The only ones I ever heard were from Epic, which was basically making a big fuss to promote their own competitive platform (which was so shit it just didn’t gain any traction apart from the free games).
I’ve tried all the online stores ever since the cloudification (remember Impulse?) but none have ever been able to compete with Steam in terms of features and value to the customer. Steam didn’t get to the top by being anti competitive, it got there by being competitive and offering a better product to all stakeholders, not just to shareholders.
And as you mentioned, there is plenty of competition for Steam. Don’t like the monoply? Get it on GOG or Itch instead.
Rose@lemmy.world 7 months ago
You can read the complaint in full here.
sirdorius@programming.dev 7 months ago
Thanks. So TLDR:
Theharpyeagle@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Okay yeah I was annoyed that it took Epic’s store to make Valve update their ancient UI, but Proton has gone a long way to improving my opinion of them (and it’s open source to boot).
Also is a shame that the court won’t have the background to know that invoking EA’s complaints about anti-competitiveness and price gouging is so completely laughable.
iforgotmyinstance@lemmy.world 7 months ago
As a consumer, the worst days of Steam were in its early years. It took hours to download the HL2 day 1 patch. But those days are long behind us.
JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Escape from Tarkov has been very successful with their own site and launcher. I don’t see it ever going to steam and it’s regularly in the top 10 of twitch
Rose@lemmy.world 7 months ago
That’s like saying racism doesn’t exist because there are black people in power.
JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 7 months ago
No, it’s saying if you make a good game and launcher then you don’t need to rely on one of the storefront that take 30% like epic or Valve. Idk what GoGs cut is but I’ve also never bought anything from there
Tier1BuildABear@lemmy.world 7 months ago
🤮
echo64@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Valve hasn’t done anything shady, but monopolies are still bad and unhealthy. Both things are true. And there are no other options for less of a cut if you want to actually make sales, pc gamers won’t purchase from other platforms.
Theharpyeagle@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Monopolies are bad, but is it a monopoly if they naturally gained market share because their product was first and better?
Honestly I’d be fine with them removing the “PMFN” clause, but I’d rather it be a law that it can’t be enforced because you know Valve isn’t the only one to include it. But even if they did get rid of it, I don’t think they’d see a major shift away from their platform.
echo64@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Yes, its unhealthy foe the undustry even if you enjoy it today. Gabe newel is old, he’s going to retire soon and likely sell the company. You won’t like what happens after that.
PapstJL4U@lemmy.world [bot] 7 months ago
Yes. Yes it is. It doesnot matter how a monopoly was created. It’s the definition of a current market state, not behaviour.
In many countries it although does not have be a true monopoly (aka a single object), but a undisputed, sizeable market portion.
PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
They’ve had some shady situations, but they tend to walk them back when we lose our shit.
ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
That’s who’s suing Valve here.
MossyFeathers@pawb.social 7 months ago
No, humble bundle isn’t run by them anymore. They haven’t been run by the wolfire guys since 2017. If they are then I’m probably not buying anything from humble again.
ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
You’re right and I’m wrong. I guess I’m out of touch - what did the Wolfire guys do since then that makes you dislike them?
brawleryukon@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I think there was some cross-pollination for a couple years beyond that. Sounds like they sold Humble off to be its own thing, but the Wolfire guys were still running it until 2019 (see Wikipedia quote below). Either way, they’ve got out of Humble well before they filed this suit.
NateSwift@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Is Wolfire Games associated with Humble at all or am I missing something?
brawleryukon@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Wolfire Games created the original Humble Indie Bundle, but they’ve been divested from it for a few years now. From Wikipedia:
The comment above that Humble’s the ones suing Valve here is inaccurate.
Romanmir@lemmy.today 7 months ago
Yeah, I’m pretty sure both are run by the same dude. He got butt hurt by valve’s cut about the time he started Humble Bundle.
bastion@feddit.nl 7 months ago
I think this should be admissible in court.