Comment on Google and major mobile carriers want Europe to regulate Apple's iMessage platform

• cm0002@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It’s RCS not RMS and Google didnt even want control of it in the first place, it’s well documented Google has been trying to get US carriers to stop dragging their feet on RCS for a long time. They never did until Google literally went “Fine, I’ll do it myself then”

  AND RCS is an open protocol, nobody really has “control” over it, Google runs some RCS servers but if it disappeared tomorrow (Or you changed the defaults) RCS itself would run just fine on whatever including if Apple supports RCS

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  • BURN@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    SMS takes less bandwidth and is perfect for large broadcast messages and works perfectly fine for text based messaging. The only major problems it has are security and media, which while are valid needs, are not a reason to get rid of one of the few universally accepted standards

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    • cm0002@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      SMS should have been a fallback years ago and nothing more, it’s absolutely asinine that it’s still in as much use as it is today

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      • BURN@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        It doesn’t need to be a fallback. It’s still perfect for text messages, government alerts, mass notification of customers, etc.

        It’s barely used today anyways. The only time it’s used on iPhone is if you’re messaging someone outside the iMessage ecosystem, which really isn’t a problem for 95% of Apple users.

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  • ozymandias117@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It will be an easier sell if Google manages to get their proprietary extensions to RCS into RCS version 10, rather than only being supported in Google Messenger

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• fartsparkles@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Bingo. This whole case is designed to make Apple look like the bad guy whilst Google hides their real agenda of forcing Apple to use a protocol Google controls and thus stamp out Google’s competition.

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  • joyjoy@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    From what I’ve read, Google just owns the reference implementation. Apple could implement it themselves, but then lose out on certain non-cross-platform features, like e2e encryption.

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    • fartsparkles@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’ve read the specification. Google’s implementation is the only real implementation as Google have added a load of extensions to the protocol that means, to be interoperable, you’d need to use Google’s (which I imagine requires licensing since it doesn’t appear to be open source).

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      • joyjoy@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        That’s basically what I said, but better.

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• kaitco@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Google is pushing RMS, which they would control

  Hardest of hard passes, even if I were on Android.

  Again, Google don’t have their own iMessage that is widely used, so instead of compete on that level, they want to own the whole system.

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  • bkk_beaucoup@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Anybody remember Hangouts? Google’s iMessage that was better in every conceivable way than its Apple analog, integrated with Google voice, could be accessed anywhere you could get on Gmail etc? Dropping the ball on Hangouts to favor carrier pre-installed messaging Apps was such an incredible and short-sighted blunder. I concede that exactly like their many app deprecations/cut-and-runs that did not take the long-term sentiment of the end user into account and damaged their reputation and adoption. And now here we are… trying to grovel back into iMessage’s purview.

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    • someguy3@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      When they killed hangouts was when I think everyone stopped trying to adopt google products. What’s the point, it will be killed.

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      • Spotlight7573@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I think you’re right. I got some people to start using Hangouts and then Google killed it. I don’t even bother to learn what Google has available now for chats because I know now there’s no point to trying to get people to switch, no matter how good/bad it may be.

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    • nicetriangle@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Name a better duo than Google and killing off products

      https://killedbygoogle.com/

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      • AbidanYre@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Name a better duo than Google and killing off products

        Yes, duo is on that list.

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      • Jarix@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        *EA enters the chat

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    • snowe@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Wait you thought hangouts was good? Holy shit would that be one of the worst Google offerings of the decade if it wasn’t for the ten other Google chat and video systems they have made. My god I can’t think of a worse communication platform than hangouts. You might be the first person I’ve heard of liking it.

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      • bkk_beaucoup@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I don’t want to make assumptions, but your reply makes me think you arrived at Hangouts once it was already being deprecated by Google. Granted, being US based I didn’t need the coverage of WhatsApp (limited as they was even then to phone # accounts), the scant usage of Viber or the other innumerable messaging apps I touched in that time period. Hangouts integrated seamlessly with SMS, let me send media/stickers/map embeds to mixed-platform groups never worrying about quality downgrade. And did I mention that one could access Hangouts (and its SMS pass through server) from any machine in the world through Gmail? iMessage makes you jump hoops to do that shit today.

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• lolcatnip@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  You’re like a lot of people on Lemmy: so eager to paint everything even tangentially connected to Google as some kind of grand conspiracy that you can’t even get the most basic facts right.

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