Comment on Interesting how artists don't make enough money from their creations, so our solution is to make certain information illegal to share, rather than give them a universal basic income.

• Wogi@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You can debate the merits of some work, you can debate the amount people are compensated for that work. But what is absolutely not debatable is that we actually need people to do work for us to contribute to function as a society. Some of that work that’s absolutely necessary is both dangerous and nigh impossible to automate. Do we need another Starbucks? No, absolutely not. But we will still need places to be built, and infrastructure maintained. There’s really no escaping that.

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  • AltheaHunter@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That’s why it’s a basic income. Enough to keep you housed, clothed and fed. Your clothes might be thrifted, your apartment small, and your diet mostly instant ramen, but your basic needs will be covered. Plenty of people would still work hard to get more than the basics.

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    • Wogi@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Why not just guarantee those things for everyone?

      Guaranteed housing, guaranteed food, guaranteed clothing. No work required. I agree with you, I think most people will still work with all of that taken care of. Because it’s just basic.

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      • Infynis@midwest.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        That’s what a universal basic income does. It’s way simpler and more likely to succeed than a hundred different programs for everything people need. Studies show that poor people, when given money, don’t misuse it, like some would have you believe. They use it on things they need, but otherwise couldn’t afford, like housing, healthcare, car repairs, things like that. It’s even good for the economy

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      • intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The reason UBI is better than that is it still allows market forces to operate on those goods, improving them over time due to competition and innovation.

        Also if someone wants to use their housing money for extra clothes instead and just couch surf, they should be allowed to do that. Granting money provides freedom of choice with it.

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  • spacecowboy@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It will still get done.

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    • Pasta4u@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Who would work at Starbucks if you get a living wage making shitty art ?

      Is there even a quota needed in this? Can I make one piece of art a week that takes ten minutes and I get my living wage ?

      Why would I work 40 hours dealing with any customer. Why would I work in a field picking crops or at a construction site ?

      I’ll join hunter Biden making blow art and getting g paid

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      • Tenniswaffles@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It’ll increase demand, which should in theory increase wages for those jobs. A universal basic income is “basic” in the sense that it’s the minimum to survive in society. There will still be plenty of people who want more and are therefore willing to do those jobs.

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      • spacecowboy@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Thanks for announcing your single digit IQ on this topic so everyone is aware. Excellent work.

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  • unoriginalsin@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    But what is absolutely not debatable is that we actually need people to do work for us

    Citation needed.

    to contribute to function as a society

    As if that’s a worthy goal.

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    • Wogi@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      2 edgy 4 me m8

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    • unoriginalsin@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Says the guy who literally advocate the enslavement of the majority of the human race. Where even if your line, my guy?

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• helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You say that like that would be bad.

  There’s work to be done. Everyone can’t be an artist. It’s exactly why they’re not paid well to do it. It’s a high-supply, low-demand job.

  You people are living in a fantasy land.

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  • PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    We got fat on the third world and people think we can just say “fuck you, got mine” to the rest of the planet.

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  • ultratiem@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    “Artists” make everything you touch or look at. Unless you define “artist” as someone who drinks all day, and whips paint at blank canvass.

    UI-UX artists design the way programs look and function. Game artists build the worlds we play in. Architecture. Indoor decor. Even the cool looking rug you got at IKEA… designed by an industrial artist.

    We are everywhere. Coming up with cool looking phones, apps, OSes, and yes, sculptures and paintings too. So you’re right, there is work to be done. There is so much skill and investment into the life of artist. You’d know if you ever spent a day in their shoes.

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    • helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Your know exactly what I mean by “artists”. Don’t be daft

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      • ultratiem@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I do not. Why don’t you tell us what an artist is in your opinion.

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• intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Probably someone who sees a causal connection between unpleasant work and pleasant outcomes later.

  I mean if work was an end unto itself it doesn’t make much sense to go do things you don’t feel like doing. But once you connect the present moment of facing unpleasantness to the future payoff of the work, it makes more sense.

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  • Gabu@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Most office work for company conglomerate X? Completely useless to society. The whole of Wall Street? Completely useless to society. In fact, most jobs in any field which isn’t STEM R&D is largely superfluous. So, what was your point again?

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• Zippy@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  So your ok if your garbage does not get taken out or if that many less people want to be doctors and nurses?

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