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• coffeeaddict@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Do these terms actually come from racist backgrounds, or did they come up as a coincidence?

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  • FMT99@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    No. It’s a coincidence.

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    • Happenchance@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      While the term blacklist does not originate from racist history, it has certainly been adopted by racists before computers, while terms like master and slave have clear links to slavery as a human history: in either case the terms along with others were found to be offensive to a large population and have since been changed to reflect human decency.

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      • FMT99@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        On “master” and “slave” I could be convinced. Those are directly potentially offensive terms. They’re also terms that went out of use when we stopped using IDE drives 20-ish years ago as far as I’m aware, but there may still be specific fields where they’re used.

        But to ban the word “black” because it was adopted by racists feels kind of ridiculous. Aren’t we giving these racists a little too much power?

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      • ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Changed… but have nothing to do with the other.

        It’s like complaining that the Spanish word for black is “niger”. Best go change that, eh?

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• at_an_angle@lemmy.one ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Don’t care. I’m still using white and black list.

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  • SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Stand proud with the other bigots who still use “fag,” “retarded,” and the N word after looking over their shoulder

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    • at_an_angle@lemmy.one ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m a bigot because I use the terms white and black list?

      Don’t hurt yourself stretching that hard.

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      • SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        No you’re a bigot because you heard the reasoning why the rest of the world moved on and you said you don’t care. Pretty cut and dried. No reach required at all, you told everyone this freely even though no one asked you.

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• DrBob@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’ve been out of it. What do we call “Master” and "Slave " drives now?

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  • hundo@feddit.nl ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    We call them obsolete.

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  • SuddenlyBlowGreen@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Privileged drives and economilcally-and-socially-disadvanted-due-to-historical-injustices drives. The last ones a bit of a mouthful, so you can use EASDDTHJ drives.

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  • Happenchance@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    From Wikipedia:

    Various replacement terms for ‘master’ or ‘slave’ have been proposed and implemented. In 2020, GitHub replaced the default ‘master’ git branch with ‘main’.[18] Other replacement names include ‘default’, ‘primary’, ‘controller’, ‘root’, ‘initiator’, ‘leader’, ‘director’, ‘manager’; and for ‘slave’: ‘performer’, ‘worker’, ‘peripheral’, ‘responder’, ‘device’, ‘replica’, ‘satellite’, and ‘secondary’.[18][6][21][22][23] Python switched to ‘main’, ‘parent’, and ‘server’; and ‘worker’, ‘child’, and ‘helper’, depending on context.[7][24] The Linux kernel has adopted a similar policy to use more specific terms in new code or documentation.[22] Other projects and standards have used alternative terms since their inception.

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  • SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If you use a time machine to go back to 2001 when that was last a thing, you can still use the original terminology. Otherwise you will never need the terms since those concepts no longer exist for drives.

    Outside of drives there are plenty of self explanatory terms like primary and secondary which work fine.

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    • DrBob@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Coincidentally that’s the year I finished grad school and was probably at the peak of my tech savviness. Things have changed a lot since then. On all fronts.

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    • Malfeasant@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I wouldn’t say they no longer exist… ide still occasionally used for optical drives…

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      • SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I think the last two motherboards I’ve owned, purchased like 3 years and 8 years ago, did not even have a single IDE port.

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      • SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Ya know, I remember being confused when someone first used master/slave with me. They had to explain what they meant. I can’t know but I’d venture a guess that primary/secondary would’ve been more clear to me without an explanation. I wouldn’t have intuited why it’s a concept, but I would’ve been able to skip the initial confusion as to how any inanimate object would be called a “slave”

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  • jimbolauski@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Owner and ownee?

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• cactusupyourbutt@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  it is not racist however. words get their meaning by their context. asking if you can bum a fag gets very different responses in the uk and outside

  in this case master 2a/d or 5 and I couldnt find any non people slavery related definition so maybe that should get changed after all

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  • Chunk@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If you have ever said “Master Slave” architecture you are a racist and every single Black person in earshot had a panic attack. At least, that’s what we’re led to believe.

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