Comment on YSK that Joseph Stalin created the Great Terror. He started killing people randomly including artists, generals, doctors, scientists, government officials. Everyone was terrified.

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• davel@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  All your life you’ve lived under capitalism and have been exposed to anti-communist propaganda, because to date communism has been the only successful alternative to capitalism.

  Somehow OP thinks that a lifetime of anti-communism isn’t enough anti-communism.

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  • Tiresia@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s a natural pendulum moment. We are flooded with anticommunist propaganda, so when you start lifting up the curtain and seeing more and more of the lies, you can start wondering what else was a lie.

    That’s the moment all sorts of ideologies jump out of the woodwork to recruit you, and given most of your education was a subjugating lie you probably don’t have the tools to distinguish them that well.

    And that’s how you end up with people denying the holocaust or thinking covid is fake or saying Stalin wasn’t so bad actually.

    So as we’re dismantling capitalism we’re going to have to constantly help people find their footing in reality, including helping them reaffirm the parts of capitalist propaganda that were true enough.

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• yucandu@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I live in Canada, the general vibe we get through our culture and education is that Hitler was #1 worst guy in history, everyone else was a close second.

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  • StickyDango@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This. Even in my psychology of genocide course in uni, a lot of it was focused on Hitler being the worst, and not much about Stalin.

    Sort of related sort of not, I learned in the last few years how awful the British were, too. Different levels of awful, but I’m thinking because Canada is a commonwealth country and was pretty much run by the Brits back in the day, the Brits excluded from our education the bad things they did, ie to native Americans/First Nations people, Africa, etc. I didn’t learn about any of that… So I think what they wanted people to learn and what they wanted people to forget shaped what was taught in Canadian schools.

    So, like many others, I was awed and excited by the royals. Now that I know what they’ve been trying to hide, meh.

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• VinegarChunks@lemmus.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I had probably 10 times as many educational hours dedicated to Hitler and the Holocaust as I did learning about Stalin.

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  • 3abas@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Israel weaponized the Holocaust and drilled two falsehoods into everyone’s head:

    1. Jews were the only victims.
    2. The Holocaust is a special genocide that hasn’t happened before or since, is the worst crime in recorded history, and no one should dare question that.

    This allows them to genocide Palestinians while calling everyone who questions their ethno supremacist expansionist colonial project a Nazi.

    6 million Jews were murdered, out of 17 million victims.

    Genocide of Indigenous Americans (1492–1832): it is estimated that 90% of the indigenous population, amounting to over 55 million people, died due to violence, forced labor, and disease after European colonization.

    Mao Zedong (China, 1958–1961/1966–1969): Historians estimate that between 30-70 million people died due to famine, persecution, and forced labor during the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution.

    Mongol Conquests (13th Century): Under Genghis Khan, it is estimated that 30-60 million people were killed, representing about 10% of the world’s population at the time.

    To name a few… Hitler was a monster, but he was hardly the worst monster.

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    • Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Even if there are genocides worse than the holocaust. The entire point of the Nazis were to kill everyone eventually in order to create their dumb idea of an ubermench.

      Most genocides are about keeping power. But the holocaust was about creating a whole new humanity by killing anyone that wasn’t blue eyed, blond haired super people. It would affect the entire world eventually.

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  • Rozz@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Definitely this. This is what they chose the curriculum to cover more.

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• stoly@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Most of the focus is on how bad communism is, not how bad its leaders were.

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  • davel@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    There’s a spectre haunting stoly specter

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  • AffineConnection@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    *how bad a straw man version of communism is

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    • stoly@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Well that was my point.

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      • AffineConnection@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I know. I seem to be the only one who upvoted you.

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  • Allero@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    To be fair, having authoritarian government means you’ll absolutely have an oppressive regime at some point.

    If anything, Stalin was the one to cement authoritarianism as the system of power in USSR and make sure it cannot be reverted without massive issues in the form of separatism, civil disobedience, and more.

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• BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Look at main lemmy dev positing essays about how great Ussr was.

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• lietuva@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  because most of the atrocities that Stalin commited didn’t happen in Western world.

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  • Allero@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah, the Western world preferred to export violence, not keep it home-grown

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• jimmy90@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  putins most obvious influence too, or maybe they just have a lot in common

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