The USB standard was made by Intel and the USB-C port is based on a port designed by Apple…
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masterspace@lemmy.ca 10 hours ago
Thank God for the EU.
If Apple and the Americans had their way, each of those would use a different proprietary connector.
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 10 hours ago
draco_aeneus@mander.xyz 10 hours ago
The EU commision did not decide on USB-C in a vacuum. It looked on already existing stanards and talked to many large electronics manufacturers in order to come to a proposal for USB-C as a universal standard. You are right to point out the role that both Intel and Apple played (Along HP, Microsoft and the USB-IF) in the development of the standard, but you’re missing the forest for the trees, since it was the EU making it a *universal * standard within it’s boarders that means we all use the same standard.
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 1 hour ago
I was responding to the second sentence, not the first.
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Which ‘port designed by Apple’? Apple’s Lightning is quite obviously more sturdy than usb-c, being just a puck with contacts, put into a hole with contacts and without flimsy plastic tongues. However, Lightning is more costly to produce, while afaik USB was always made from cheap sheet metal.
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 1 hour ago
USB-C (top) is based on the Cinema Display power connector (bottom) from the early 2000s:
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 40 minutes ago
Interesting, but odd that it’s the first I’ve ever heard of this.
ozymandias117@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
The moving parts are in the device rather than the cable with Lightning. The tongue on USB-C is required to be deep enough that you can’t torque it with the cable during insertion/removal.
It’s not an obvious comparison, but the mechanical engineers where I work seem to have a mild preference for USB-C
The expensive part of both is that you need a microcontroller in the cable
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
By ‘moving parts’ you mean the springed contacts? Yeah wow, that’s a lot of movement.
USB-C has more pins because it was made later and is required to carry standards like Displayport and Thunderbolt. If Apple made Lightning 2, nothing prevents them from slapping more contacts on it.
pedz@lemmy.ca 8 hours ago
I’m going to add Sony to this list.
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Oh, there are vanishingly few hardware vendors I hate with a greater burning passion than Sony. Over the span of literal decades, Sony has consistently and systematically found so many ways to piss me off that I will never give them another red cent so long as I live. I will happily pay slightly more money for a slightly inferior version of whatever gadget rather than deal with Sony’s bullshit.
deHaga@feddit.uk 10 hours ago
Until a better option becomes available, and then being stuck with just usb c will suck
draco_aeneus@mander.xyz 10 hours ago
The laws specified by the EU allow for future technological developments and the advancement of the standard without having to re-write the laws. The law itself includes a mandatory technical review, and allows for new standards to be integrated, and outdated standards to be dropped.
deHaga@feddit.uk 8 hours ago
I don’t think governments should be in charge of deciding what’s innovative
Croquette@sh.itjust.works 7 hours ago
History has shown us again and again that corporations can’t behave decently if let to their own device.
I would much rather have the government stiffle innovation if that means that consumer are safe and benefit from said innovation.
fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 hours ago
It’s not standardized on USB C. It’s standardized on whatever the USB IF standardized on. So when USB D is a think it will eventually switch to that.
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
The Apple who were the first to make an all-usb-c laptop?
Apple caught flak for switching iPhones from the 31-pin connector to Lightning, and obviously didn’t want to repeat the experience sooner than necessary.
Killer@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
They also got a cut from any 3rd party lighning cables
dogdeanafternoon@lemmy.ca 8 hours ago
No they wouldn’t lol
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 hours ago
They literally did until recently.
Apple would still be using different variants of their crappy connectors for everything, none of which were compatible with anything non-Apple, if not for the EU ruling forcing them not to.
tranquillow@discuss.tchncs.de 5 hours ago
If Apple had any intention to switch to USB-C on their own, they would’ve done so with the iPhone 7.
papalonian@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Yes, Americans famously love having dozens of different chargers and cables to manage
draco_aeneus@mander.xyz 10 hours ago
The reason we should thank the EU is because of this rule. While I cannot guarantee this rule is responsible, the fact that it’s mandated means it’s significantly more economically viable to use the same connector across all regions (including America), and so this rule is the primary factor in the standardization of charging cables.
papalonian@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
I know why we have the EU to thank .
Americans don’t want proprietary connectors. We’re happy to get USB-C, too.
draco_aeneus@mander.xyz 10 hours ago
Ah, I misunderstood. I conflated “Americans” (lawmakers) and “Americans” (everyone else).
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
carrylex@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
New chargers and cables = New freedom units to measure stuff with