The dude had his foot on the accelerator overriding autopilot.
If his foot hadn’t been on the accelerator the saftey features may have actually worked.
When your foot is on the accelerator, it tells you it will not brake.
Comment on US judge upholds $243 million verdict against Tesla over fatal Autopilot crash
chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 4 days ago
This is an interesting one. The jury actually only faulted Tesla for 33% of the total blame, but since the driver wasn’t a defendant in the suit, he doesn’t have to pay the remaining 2/3rds. I really struggled with this one because to me it felt like Tesla was being attacked, but looking at it in the full light of day it ended up being pretty fair. The driver completely ignored the road while looking for their cellphone which had dropped to the floor, and then blamed the Tesla for not alerting him of the intersection. That leans pretty hard on the driver being irresponsible to me, and the jury felt the same way, which is why they said that Tesla was only 33% to blame. So, Tesla trying to overturn this verdict is them trying to absolve themselves of all fault, which I don’t agree with, and I think the judge did the right thing. Tesla advertised a feature of a car that failed to work in the way it was described. Should the driver have been more present? Yep. Should Tesla still be partially responsible for the fault in their machinery? Yep, again.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 4 days ago
chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 4 days ago
The jury found that the marketing from Tesla didn’t line up with the actual abilities. Musk is on record saying that Autopilot drives better than a human. They also stated that it should only be used on highways and access roads, but even with their GPS always active, the car doesn’t differentiate between road types, and so will let you use it anywhere you like.
On top of that, Tesla triggered the car to wipe the crash data from the local copy 3 minutes after the accident so that the only copy of the crash data that remained was stored on their servers and could be tampered with.
All of that led the jury to giving 33% fault to Tesla, which, again, I think is fair.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Tesla advertised a feature of a car that failed to work in the way it was described.
So first off, this was mainly what I was replying about and I should have probably quoted it. The car 100% worked exactly as described. Any claims about how good AP may be, go 100% out the window the moment your foot is on the accelerator and it tells you the car will not brake.
Also I don’t think he’s ever said AP drives safer than a human, it’s humans using autopilot are safer than driving without it. It’s always because you are supervising it that it’s safer than without. It can’t even change lanes or stop for traffic lights, how on earth could that be safer than a human unless it’s with human supervision?
Tesla wiping/causing problems getting the data should probably be it’s own case and doesn’t really have to do with the actual merits of this specific case IMO and whether or not they were responsible.
The working outside of highways is really the only valid thing.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
There’s a lot of civic owners form the late 90s and early 2k’s who would have an opinion about faulty airbags. My mother can’t even feel her bottom lip now because of this airbag shit.
….she hit the steering wheel, bit it off, had it stocked back on, but the nerves were severed.
WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 4 days ago
Also I don’t think he’s ever said AP drives safer than a human
He’s been carefull about saying it outright. There are many clips though about him saying it will be safer, up to 10 times safer, but always soon, in a few years, in the future. And he’s saying that for years now. Enough people assume it came true.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 4 days ago
i mean, were they joint and severally liable? often depends on the state the accident happens in. if they were they can take funds from the liable parties in any proportion regardless of how the blame is assigned.
halloween_spookster@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Worth a read for a more in-depth look into what happened: electrek.co/…/tesla-withheld-data-lied-misdirecte…
julysfire@lemmy.world 4 days ago
A reasonable and nuanced take on the Internet? Is this 1999?
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 4 days ago
looks at mirror
Nope. Not 1999. I still have grey hair.
ByteJunk@lemmy.world 4 days ago
You guys still have hair?
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 3 days ago
It’s like a french WWII troop. Surrendering and retreating.