It’s honestly baffling people still riff on this. Anyone that’s held the controller for 2 seconds understands it.
Comment on i mean
pjwestin@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
It was designed at a transition point between joysticks and the D-pad. Your right hand goes on the right prong for the A, B, and C buttons. Your left hand should be on the center prong when using a game designed for the joystick, or on the left prong when using a game designed for the D-pad. It’s not the most elegant design, but it’s really really not that hard to figure out.
Zoomboingding@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
pjwestin@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
It’s gotta be Zoomers looking at it with no frame of reference. Anyone who played this at the time would have recognized the layout here; they were taking the SNES controller, adding an extra set of buttons to be more in line with the 6 button layout popularized by Sega, and then sticking a joystick in the middle. Assigning the c-buttons as directional was actually pretty insightful. They work for camera controls on stuff like Mario 64, but they also function as a top-row/bottom-row for strong-attack/light-attack on D-pad fighting games like Mortal Kombat.
tempest@lemmy.ca 12 hours ago
You’re right it’s just the system had very few games where the d pad was the obvious primary control device.
What everyone here is really missing is the ahead of its time Golden eye 2 controller two stick setup. They knew where things were going the controller was just a little too soon.
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Then there was Turok where the movement forward/back and strafe left/right was on the C-Buttons…
criss_cross@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Or you’re like me and you put your hand on the left pron and stretch your thumb onto the joystick anyway. Middle prong be damned.
pjwestin@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
How the hell did you use the Z-trigger?
criss_cross@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Middle finger stretched to it.
I apparently have large hands.
pjwestin@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
LOL, yeah, you’d kinda have to.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Yup. Middle finger. It’s a large hand person thing.
Fedizen@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
This is why hiring the “why not both” girl as lead hardware designer is not always the best strategy
pjwestin@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
I mean, at the time it was designed, “both,” pretty much was the right choice. Without the D-pad a lot of the titles they could reliably develop, like fighting or puzzle games, would have been incredibly difficult to get working well, but without the joystick, they couldn’t launch with titles like Mario 64. It’s easy to look at the PS1 Duelshock controller and assume they were idiots, but original PS1 controller only had a D-pad. The N64 beat the PS1 to the joystick by two years, and while it was much derpier than the Playstation’s solution, it was integrated from day one.
Fedizen@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Idk if both was the “right” choice, but given the virtual boy was a ~year prior… there is definitely wisdom in playing things a little more cautious, which is what I would say the N64 controller represents: a justified fear to commit to the analog stick and remove the D-pad.
pjwestin@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Honestly, I think, “both,” really was the only choice. No one had developed for a joystick-exclusive console since the Atari days. Most third-party developers would have had a tough time porting and adapting their games over to an exclusively joystick layout. The other consoles of that generation, the Saturn and Playstation, both had D-pad only controllers and D-pad/joystick combination controllers; no one went joystick only. The N64 design was imperfect, but it allowed them to launch Mario 64 and Mortal Kombat Trilogy in the same year (and it was a step up from Sega’s crack at it).