You dont have to. But honestly its worth the time to get over the fear of the terminal. Understanding how they work and being comfortable using them has many advantages. So many things do not require a bloated GUI application. Like again its not necessary but its a bandaid that I think is worth it to rip off.
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NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
My first night on Linux was rough. Getting all my apps installed and set up was exhausting, especially because I had no experience using the command line. For those who haven’t stared into the dark void of a Linux terminal before, it’s where most system management happens — installing apps, running updates, and the like. It’s an unavoidable part of the Linux experience
Bullshit. And fuck you for propagating this notion, yet again.
LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 days ago
NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
I really take issue with the author suggesting that you need to. You do not need to, and it is a myth that needs to go away. Particularly when they said it was “exhausting” installing applications. Linux is miles ahead on that front: you look through a list of what you like, or search for them, and click on the ones you want.
Also for system management, there is no need for the terminal either and the author says “It’s an unavoidable part of the Linux experience”. That one in particular really doesn’t sit well with me.
Now can you? Yes. Should you? Also yes, because it is the easiest way to convey and execute an idea. But you do not have to.
And they fail to mention that windows does this too, for almost every task for system maintenance is done this way: press run+r, now type “whatever -command”.
Anyways a moderately mainstream article and they are going to scare people away over something they did not need to do. Which after a year you would think they would have figured that out.
LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 days ago
I agree for the most part. It depends a lot on what distro youre using, what DE, so on. But you can easily get by on gnome without having to use the terminal much if at all.
NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
KDE as well. It is astounding how easy it is to use a modern KDE distro: everything has tips and hints get you to the setting you want. Even mounting shares is just click and mount.
Katana314@lemmy.world 2 days ago
The one I’m on has a very functional “search and install” app, but I still find myself habitually opening up terminal for installation out of “fastness”. Maybe it’s a poor impulse I should correct.
Probably the biggest thing driving terminal use is opening and configuring system files. You can do that with the file explorer and an elevated text editor, but a lot of guides aiming for conciseness will give you some command to wget a long file online, then insert content into a text file by path in one line.
mech@feddit.org 2 days ago
I ran Fedora Silverblue for a year with the terminal uninstalled.
tomkatt@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Depends on your distro. Maybe on Ubuntu or Mint, sure. I’m running EndeavourOS, and it’s terminal or nothing. I’m fine with that, but YMMV.
Spaniard@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I am running EndeavourOS and it’s possible to function without terminal. I use it because I love it but no need at least not for app installing having Discover.
tomkatt@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I use it because I love it but no need at least not for app installing having Discover.
Didn’t you have to install that via the terminal? Discover store is not installed on EndeavourOS by default. You must have installed it and forgot.
tomkatt@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Anyway can’t compare an arch based distro to Fedora or Ubuntu
Why not?
Spaniard@lemmy.world 1 day ago
They are both built for stability, Arch is built to be bleeding edge.
Nugscree@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Because Fedora and Ubuntu (Debian) have been around for forever? In my experience Arch also feels more like a your on your own kind of Distro which I liked back in the day (build one myself with an online guide), but now I just want my machine to run and function unattended besides the updates.
dreamkeeper@literature.cafe 1 day ago
Even on Ubuntu I had to use the terminal pretty frequently. Older games especially are a big PITA to get working sometimes.
dreamkeeper@literature.cafe 1 day ago
Why do you people constantly lie so aggressively about this? That post exactly describes every single Linux migration I’ve ever done.
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
Na sorry, hes right.
For someone who doesn’t spend every moment on their pc, its daunting and takes energy to learn and remember all of this just to make your pc run.
brianary@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
Keep in mind that changes are coming even if you stay on Windows or Mac or Android or iOS. AI in particular is going to require everyone to relearn everything in non-deterministic ways, so you end up begging the system to do what you want in new creative ways. Also, the UI will be radically reworked over and over. There’s really no way to avoid learning new ways to do things on an invention that’s less than 50 years old.
Yes, it’s work that we don’t usually have the energy for, especially now, but the best we can do is look for a community to support each other through it all.
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
That is true and a large part of why I do love how linux mostly has stayed the same for 20 years in its basic form. I was able to apply a lot of the things I had remembered from years ago when I used it briefly.
tyrant@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I came across this the other day but haven’t had a chance to use it. Hopefully this saves someone a lot of time installing programs.
new_guy@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Huh ninite for Linux. That’s neat
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
Awesome!
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Oh for fucks sake, so much neckbeard energy here dismissing this guys personal experience.
When you’re a new user and don’t know what the fuck is the native app store application is and when a new user goes to find their old windows apps that have Linux install instructions, what’s the first thing that they have there? Guess. It’s always find your flavor of Linux and the first steps shown are always terminal commands with sudo apt get or sudo dnf.
That’s everyone first time with Linux until they learn more about it so get off your high horse and condescending gatekeeping attitude.
NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
Gatekeeping, I hate that word. So useless. In this scenario the author is gate keeping saying all the linux system management is the command line. Its “exhausting”. Well bullshit. Let me say it again: BULLSHIT.
It is perpetuating a myth. This is not true. They are gatekeeping the users who don’t want to because they are saying it has to be this way.
Look, I like the command line, I get why sharing information is so much easier by providing a command rather than a wall of screen shots.
Yet at the same time, my travel laptop over here, two years in, has never had to have “system administration” and package installation from a command line. Depending on the distro it simply is not necessary.
The user has choice.
Godric@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Buddy, they literally do not know that choice exists, and you’re getting angry and calling them a liar instead of growing the community by teaching.
The Linux community has a reputation for being filled with condescending dickheads, and that’s part of the reason why people are turned off from even trying.
NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
**Yeah, because people like this author keep repeating it. **
Yet another annoying myth. Look, I am saying it with a bit of vitrol here, but its basically to the universe as the author (as far as I know) isn’t here.
Could I be a bit nicer? I suppose, but they were so wrong, and using strong words like “exhausting” to describe a practice they don’t even have to do is annoying.