I’m so happy to be in the EU. Good luck over there! BTW we had like 100 collapses and 1000 wars before we got to where we are…
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Etterra@discuss.online 2 weeks ago
Isn’t it fun living through the decline phase of our civilization?
Valmond@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Serinus@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Don’t get complacent. The EU countries are toying with the idea of collapsing with us. AfD doesn’t seem to be shrinking, and there will be a lot of money and propaganda dumped that way soon.
I hope you’re better at resisting it than we were, but seeing as how we’re all still on vulnerable social media…
Quazatron@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
True, idiocy is universal. You can see the roaches crawling out of the rocks already.
ramble81@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Once the oligarchs have picked the bones over here, the EU is next. They’re like a virus that must keep consuming.
Valmond@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah, nothing is written in stone for sure, and I hope our american friends will figure it out, and that we’ll motor through all this bullshit.
bufalo1973@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
If the US falls, EU’s far right parties will have a big problem. No more money from the US.
ISOmorph@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
How can you say this with a straight face? All fascist parties have record numbers, workers rights are being targeted across the board, digital privacy is a thing of the past. We’re like barely half a step behind. The oligarchy doesn’t care about states or continents. The EU is on the menu just as much as the US
Tattorack@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yes, and us unionists are fighting back. What, do you think we’re all just sitting on our arses with our heads up rectums?
If a fascist takes over the Danish government I’m going to riot, and I know which friends to call on to make it happen too.
Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You can PM me too if it comes to that.
WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
For sure. The nations are just tools. People don’t understand there’s another level. Most aren’t taught or think enough to understand that the real “game” is above nations, the nations are basically businesses and tools for those willing to play the real “game”. And the citizens of those nations are just basically free-range workers/cattle.
The further you zoom out from your microcosm of life the more fucked up it is. You can see the nation herding people. 90s individualism wasn’t freedom, it was marketed lifestyles to further categorize groups of people like a dog herding sheep into the next free-range pen. People think psychology isn’t a tool used to control… They think the choices that are given to them are freedom. What do people think is happening with the data mined??? People are so far removed from the idea of playing the “game” that they don’t understand they are now the pawns being played in the “game”.
Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You know most Americans are descendants of that historical lesson too right?
Paper_Phrog@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Well, most don’t seem to remember it at all. It’s why you are in this situation.
WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Netflix and chill? Let’s watch the game. Want to go shopping, I need more useless nicknaks to distract me because that’s the easier low hanging fruit way to give reason for my life.
Valmond@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah I know, seems they missed what we learned the last century (or so I hope, that we learned something).
MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Civilization? Nah just the collapse of one empire. The rest of the world goes on.
nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
The collapse of the United States would have devastating effects on every other country
Doomsider@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The US won’t go quietly into the night. A desperate US is a scary prospect with a military several orders larger and better equipped than the rest of the world combined.
Until the US eliminates it’s military budget the rest of the world would be wise to watch their backs.
Spaniard@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
As long as they are the stronger logistical force in the world they will rule.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
A devastating deficiency of being bombed and couped lol, be serious
WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Maybe real art and entertainment would come back. Like authentic culture, not focused grouped culture formed into a legal crack that sucks the soul from society.
clot27@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
End of USA will be net positive for huan civilization and its not even close
vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
No. It won’t be. But things change. Some buildings crumble. Some are reinforced and kept standing. Where there were streets, new buildings are erected. Where there were rivers and bulwarks, streets are made with pipes underneath.
So this particular building will have to change to avoid crumbling. Well, as it always happens.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Yes, it will
Tattorack@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Rather arrogant to believe the US falling means the decline of our entire civilisation.
Maeve@kbin.earth 2 weeks ago
Lol; that's what the EU common people said about too big to fail, too.
WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
The truth I think is that all these 1st world societies are basically all collapsing slowly because the room is too much from authentic humanity instead of nurturing it. I feel like most people are so far gone they couldn’t even begin to connect with their honest human self outside of the traditional indoctrination we all receive from our national cultures.
Maeve@kbin.earth 2 weeks ago
I feel like most people are so far gone they couldn't even begin to connect with their honest human self outside of the traditional indoctrination we all receive from our national cultures.
Thinking about Lemmy and most people around me, it seems like it.
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“Civilization” is a big word for a collection of selfish pillagers who barely tolerate each other. It’s certainly “fun” for the rest of the world, lol.
Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I never expected USA to self destruct like they are now. It’s absolutely insane!
Electing Bush Jr. twice was crazy, but electing Trump twice is insane.
Following the trend of elections for the past few decades, USA is on a path to become a totalitarian country.
The Democrats may win the next presidential election if there is one, but by the looks of things, when the pendulum swings again, that will be the end of democracy for USA.
WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 2 weeks ago
It was not unexpected. Most big powers in history end like that. The rich always want more and eventually start taking it from everybody else, even if it’s detrimental to the future if they nation.
Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Oh I absolutely expected USA to be surpassed by China at some point. And for USA to gradually lose international dominance.
But the shit USA is making for itself is turbocharging that process by at least a factor 10.
Some might say it doesn’t really make much difference because the end result remains the same. But the problem is that this doesn’t give the world the same amount of time to adjust. Disruption is generally bad, and disruption of world power is no exception.
Of course the worst disruption is to USA, and that will have a serious negative impact on American business, and if the US dollar loses the position as the world reserve currency, the significance of the American debt will be way more serious.
garretble@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
We always heard that this would be China’s century, and for the most part I assumed “maayybe. We’ll see. It’d take a while for the US to decline.”
Little did I know the US would very quickly shoot both its feet off on its own.
I thought that if China were to become the dominant country it’d be through years and years of steady growth while the US was doing the same. They’d just end up overtaking in the long run — not that the US would actively sabotage itself via bigotry and stupidity and greed.
Complete self own. And everyone in charge is a giant coward. We could start righting the ship today, but all the elected gop (and some dem) officials are greedy cowards.
Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The USA is falling like an angry giant on a beanstalk.
But China has engineered its own collapse through fraud, incompetence, corruption and hubris. Young people aren’t having kids. They’re lying flat. So much of their growth has been nothing but waste and tofu dregs. Even their population may in reality be hundreds of millions fewer than reported.
And Russia has proven itself no superpower.
I guess this may be a new century for Europe. Australia is looking good. Ukraine is clearly demonstrating their quality. Personally, I hope South America and Africa finally get to flourish.
arrow74@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Unless the EU gets rapidly closer to China I doubt it. We’ll probably see the general Euro Zone vs. China for the century.
IronBird@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
biggest thing for the rest of the world is the sovereign debt crisis. greece nearly drug down the EU when theirs popped off and their entire economy is just sxporting crude and ripping off the occasional tourist.
USD is the cornerstone to the entire western financial system, not to mention international trade as a whole…
fonix232@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
It was inevitable and kind of expected.
The US wasn't built on that solid of a foundation. In fact the founding fathers have said explicitly that said foundation - the Constitution itself - should be a living document updated regularly by the people, for the people, to reflect the changes in the world and in the people themselves. It was literally written at one of the most prominent times of change, so of course those who saw said change and were responsible for enacting it, weren't idiots who thought things would never change!
The first cracks appeared in the US a hundred years later with the industrial revolution kicking into high gear and transforming the so far mostly rural, self-sufficient communities into manufacturing giants. That's when factory and mining towns began to boom, and when the US truly began to claim its world power status - without adjusting the laws of course since it benefited the handful few who managed to get their fingers deep into those oh so lucrative pies.
And it's not like there haven't been warning signs of the impending capitalist doomsday. Capitalism was literally built on the back of the industrial revolution (which allowed the means of production to transfer into and concentrate in private hands), and immediately people saw the issue with it - no wonder Marx saw the need to work out a competing socioeconomic system that, if you think about it, was truly in the spirit of the American independence and the US Constitution (aka by the people, for the people).
All that capitalist rush? That allowed a handful of people to become obscenely rich, without the curtails of previous obscenely rich (aka kings, royalty, nobles), allowing them to grab power without any of the responsibility. Kings paid with their heads for their wrong decisions, but in the US, that was deemed excessive, so instead y'all elected people who then got paid off by said obscenely rich to go against the people electing them... and the worst that happens was that the elected official got rich, then got replaced by another who got bought out the same way.
And all that money/power concentrated in such a small number of hands would ALWAYS lead to them wanting more and more until they sucked the host dry like a parasite. There's no symbiosis with capitalists because wealth (resources and man-hours) are finite, unlike their greed. And since the US made it harder and harder to amend the constitution, to make that document truly living and serve the people... The fall thus became inevitable.
Doomsider@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Studying the revolutionary war reveals a bunch of rich propagandists using lies and violence to manipulate the people into forming a country for the wealthy by the wealthy.
The first President of the US was well on his way to becoming the first billionaire adjusted for inflation. All the things they said were pretty much lies as no one was ever equal in our classist society and our first major moves were to genocide an entire race of people.
The cracks and rot were present in our founding slaveholding abusive fucks who sold the people a lie just like our current reps.
WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
It blows my mind that people think America can be saved.
rayyy@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
USA is on a path to become a shit-hole country - FTFY.
Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
USA already has widespread poverty, lacks free healthcare and education, has the lowest life expectancy among economically comparable countries.
So USA is already a shit-hole country, and among shit hole countries, totalitarian countries are the absolute worst.
If you think people have it bad now, especially below middle class, you just wait and see what it will be like if USA becomes a totalitarian country!
bufalo1973@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
There is no middle class. Either you have to work to pay your bills and you are a worker or people works for you to pay your bills and you are an owner.
WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Right but you can’t admit that as truth because it’s not patriotic. Like when pieces of shit dress nice and go to church.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That was a decade ago. With trump and Biden at the helm, we hit that point already. Between trump showing that there is no bottom to the depths that conservatives will sink to and *Biden showing that there’s no consequences for openly breaking the law, we are a fucking joke at best.
I hate that the Democrats are the best national response we have to this shit. Local community organization helps, but goddamn if this situation isn’t disheartening.
XTL@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Always has been. Just with a lot of facade and flag waving. Facade is getting trashed and you’re starting to see what flags really stand for.
IronBird@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
next we get Alsx Jones/Tucker Carleson ticket, which wins because establishment Dems give Hillary another shot
HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This is what happens when 2 generations of lead poisoning brain rot compose the majority of the voting population while the younger generations adopt universal apathy and nihilism
floofloof@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I really think it’s capitalism, consumerism, individualism and decades of propaganda more than the lead. Lead will make you slightly dumber, angrier and more impulsive, but not as dumb as American politics today.
WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
It’ll get better when president Kirk and VP Minaj come through. /S
mikezeman@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I think it entirely depends if the next wave of democrats in charge of governance make any kind of considerable effort to embrace the working class and improve the economic conditions for the average person. As time has shown, they just never fucking do when they’re in charge. That’s why the pendulum keeps swinging further and further to the right - the democrats promise better and cannot remove themselves from their corporate donors enough to actually improve the country for the average person. So when their lives continue to get materially worse under democrats, voters once again swing to the right hoping for a change, only for things to get worse faster and the cycle to continue.
I’m hoping things are bad enough this time for democrats to actually do something. I’m not holding my breath, though.
Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yes, the problem is that USA only has 2 right wing parties.
That’s what I hoped under Bush, and his 2nd election was already a serious slap in the face. That Obama was elected made me somewhat hopeful, although he too was clearly right wing, and had clearly American exceptionalist viewpoints.
When Trump was elected, all hope was shattered, and now that Trump was elected a second time, I almost don’t care about USA anymore, except that USA is still a significant global power. And trends in USA have a tendency to spread globally. So we can’t ignore USA. But fuck they are the drunk bullying cousin you wish would have stayed home at family gatherings, because whenever he turns up, he ruins everything.