Comment on Microsoft wants to replace its entire C and C++ codebase, perhaps by 2030

tal@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• edgemaster72@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Well, I expect it’ll be exciting, one way or another.

  This gives the curse “may you live in interesting times” vibes

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• plz1@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  You know it’s going to be successful when they go back to using antiquated productivity measurements like measuring based on lines of code in a time frame. We all know AI is fucking spectacular at generating overly verbose code.

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  • vin@lemmynsfw.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I think the number of lines to be deleted is the target 1M…

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    • ferrule@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      yeah it’s “replace 1M lines of current code with whatever it takes to do the same task.”

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• HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  “Our strategy is to combine AI and Algorithms to rewrite Microsoft’s largest codebases,” he added. “Our North Star is ‘1 engineer, 1 month, 1 million lines of code.’”

  That’s insane. Even a good engineer will frequently need years to fully understand one million lines of code - even if the code is organized very, very well.

  To compare, one million lines of program code might have around 200000 important symbols whose meaning and complex connections one has to learn and memorize. That’s far more than the average vocabulary one will learn in five years when learning a foreign language to a high skill level. Doing it in a month would be like learning to read and write fine Japanese or Arab literature in a month when you have never spoken a word in that language before.

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  • msage@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Kinda still your point, but if you have one engineer producing 1M SLOC, how many do you have for code review?

    I hate how everyone nowadays is acting like reviews are not important. Actual oversight over codebase is way less important than shipping random code. Which is insane.

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    • MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      GitHub Copilot performs PR reviews now doesn’t it

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      • msage@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Yeah, that’s exactly what we need.

        LLM producing the code

        LLM approving the change

        LLM agent pushing to prod

        Then wonder why the users are gone

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      • TheBlackLounge@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It’s not great.

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      • ferrule@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        it is not much better than just running a linter over your code.

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• umbrella@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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  • Iunnrais@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Enshittification does not mean making things suck in general. It specifically means the business model of making a good product for users, then making the product bad for users and good for advertisers or data purchasers or retailers or whatever, and then when you have a captured market, making it worse for everyone to squeeze more money faster.

    Microsoft is not doing this. They might be sucking, and making a worse product, but it’s not following the enshittification playbook.

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    • ATS1312@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      points to ads in the start menu and surveillance in the OS

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    • hummingbird@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Pardon me, but that is exactly what MS is doing.

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• Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  So to be paid I have to delete 1M lines of code every month. Gotcha.

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• bravesirrbn@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I always love how business bros use the term “Algorithm(s)” (and now also “AI”) as if that was just a magic incantation or something that you just switch on and it immediately solves whatever problem you might have.

  All that’s needed is that the wizard comes up with the right spell and then everything just works and the business is generating infinite money!

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