Maybe because of all the brigading/harassment campaigns? If it weren’t for that I’d think this is totally fine, since it’s good for people to be able to know more about what they’re buying.
Surely ai users know how frequently the technology is used in bad faith and for nefarious purposes
I think having a problem with the backlash is not a valid reason to avoid disclosing ai use.
They should be mature and self aware and have a problem with the people and developers obviously misusing the technology so much instead
I don’t think using AI to help make a videogame is in any way nefarious or misuse, especially for smaller developers who wouldn’t have the resources to make the game they had in mind otherwise. They don’t deserve to get review bombed or have nasty messages left on all their social media by organized discord groups just because of that, and it’s understandable they’d be worried about it.
Indie gamedev existed for years before AI. You can just sit down and make a game. And if you don’t care enough to actually work on it, why would people even spend their money on “your” product?
Because these people do not understand the concept of craft nor care about the process of creating, they are soulless goons looking to gift people. It’s not their fault that society is so fucked that it’s necessary to trick and rob people so they can eat…
Games bring together a lot of different mediums and require a diverse set of skills. So for instance someone might be great at drawing, and have a great idea for a game that uses their art, but they have a hard time with coding, and use AI to handle that part of it for them in a way that’s more flexible than some other more restrictive solution like RPG Maker, which might make it closer to their vision for the kind of game they wanted to make. I think such a game could be worth playing, assuming the person making it cares about what they are making and puts their own work into it.
Games used to be programmed in low level code, if you don’t care enough to hand code your game and instead rely on machines to “compile” it for you, why even spend money on “your” product that’s all high level machine generated code?
Strongly disagree. You’re basically saying smaller developers shouldn’t be punished for theft just because they can’t afford to pay artists.
Ai use, as the article outlined, is based on cultural laundering and IP theft.
So yeah, if you can’t make a game without stealing art, don’t make a game. And if you make a game with stolen art, you absolutely deserve to be review bombed.
And before you say ai generated art isn’t theft, the models are absolutely trained on stolen art
the models are absolutely trained on stolen art
Downloading isn’t stealing, and in this case the law doesn’t agree with you either, nor does Steam; games developed with AI are legal. You’re entitled to your opinion about the ethics of it, and I think it’s fine if people want to only buy games without AI, but this is an incredibly petty way to rationalize organized harassment against people with no ill intent trying to realize their dreams. The only reason anyone goes after them is because they are softer targets than any of the billionaires and corporations doing actually questionable things with the technology.
theft
???
Please show me where the material goods were stolen. Piracy is not theft, taking ideas and concepts is not theft.
There’s no law backing you up on any of this bs. You’re just holding indie devs back from competing with AAA devs, who have absolutely no qualms about using AI. And we all know you won’t stop buying AAA games no matter how much AI they use in development, so you’re also a hypocrite.
You’re playing right into the hands of all these tech corporations who force their own models down our throats. AI could be a tool for creatives to liberate themselves from big media but you’re playing right into their hands with this knee-jerk reactionary nonsense.
Plenty of smaller developers don’t use AI too and we can simply disagree on whether replacing people with ai just so you can make your video game is misuse.
Like is that really even an excuse? I don’t think it’s ok to harass people but if you want to use ai it seems you should accept the social consequences of review bombing given many people do in fact validly see its use as harmful.
Especially when other small developers don’t use it to make games
Well to be fair for quite a few people it’s either them and AI creates a game, or no AI and no game. Though if it were me, I’d use AI art, put it in early access and use the money on art commissions to eventually replace it. Then again, in this situation I wouldn’t be agaisnt an AI disclaimer.
I think it is nefarious to use AI and developers who use it should be ashamed. No one is organizing hate campaigns, AI literally is so disliked people will rally against it organically.
I’m not going to dredge up the reddit threads providing evidence of it, but afaik there really are popular discord groups with the express purpose of brigading AI users, and I think the people here overtly defending the practice probably know it’s a real thing.
Frankly devs are more likely to get review bombed about ai usage if they tried to hide it. If they’re up front about it then that’s on the users going in to be aware of. Many people don’t like gen ai use at all, but they really hate it when they find out after the fact that it’s been used after thinking otherwise.
You’re just make stuff up. Shovelware has always been a thing but I bet you never crowed about Unity being “abused” to make it.
Unity doesn’t work by hoovering up the collected works of humanity, mixing it all up, and extruding it as a paste as a response to a sentence or two prompt (yes, image generation is more complicated to prompt but it is still roughly a paragraph of text).
Look, if you personally don’t see the issue with AI, I still have a hard time believing that you haven’t seen plenty of varied arguments against it. Ignoring all the varied reasons to pretend it’s only some needless hand-wringing at this point just feels like bad faith.
And either way, we’re talking about a tag/label. I see no issues with games having a tab/label/etc on their store page indicating the engine they’re built off of. Some people don’t like horror, puzzles, always online, forced PvP, or a particular art style. Some people don’t like generative AI. I don’t think there’s a strong argument to be made that usage of generative AI should be a special case here. If no one’s harassing people, I see no reason to prevent people from making informed decisions on what they purchase.
If your counterargument is that AI is just a tool, and we don’t tag whether the artists used a mouse or a drawing tablet, I’d counter with this: hand drawn art is a selling point due to the increased workload to create it (and implied extra quality). Now “no generative AI” can be the same. An indicator that things were done “the hard way”, with an implication (but no guarantee) of higher quality.
Many people say AI sucks and they hate it? Must be an organized campaign and not just a widely held opinion!
I have recently found a really cool youtube video talking about a reason to not use AI and why some people hate it
Using AI is obviously not nearly deserving of harassment, but, unfortunately, some people on the internet dont know that
Skill issue, either don’t use AI or nut up and ignore the hate. If you have difficulty with either option then replace your computer with a vSmile.
Sconrad122@lemmy.world 6 days ago
People are literally murdered IRL for being LGBTQ+. I haven’t seen that be brought up as an argument against having a LGBTQ+ tag on Steam. I think AI users will be OK