Comment on Moon talk
Vincentmario@feddit.uk 3 days ago
It’s very convenient that the explanation for a complex series of problems is reducible to just ‘capitalism’. Isn’t it like saying WWI only started because of the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand?
Alright, here’s your last question. What was the cause of the Civil War?
Actually, there were numerous causes. Aside from the obvious schism between abolitionists and anti-abolitionists, economic factors, both domestic and international-
Hey, hey!
Yeah?
Just say slavery.
Slavery it is, sir.
The civil war has a clearly dominant causal factor that historians overwhelmingly agree upon. Modern socio economic issues don’t have that same level of single cause consensus. That’s why boiling everything down to ‘capitalism’ is overly reductive
This is how consensus starts
At least you’re honest about pushing a narrative rather than engaging with evidence
Ah yes, “the” civil war.
Its literally the plot of the Good Place, there is no ethical and moral consumption under capitalism. We need a well regulated economy if we want the middle class to grow again, still not ethical but it would put food in my stomach.
I’m glad we agree capitalism has problems
LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 3 days ago
You sound like someone who’s on the winning side of capitalism and you can’t comprehend how capitalism is making most people suffer.
skye@lemmy.world 3 days ago
And you sound like someone who jumps to conclusions too quickly about people and you can’t comprehend someone not having a reductionist take on generalised human suffering.
I don’t think anyone here is denying people suffer from capitalism, i think they’re just saying capitalism is a factor rather than the only cause, similar to how the Archduke’s assassination was a factor among many in starting WW1.
JargonWagon@lemmy.world 2 days ago
This is Lemmy, where if you even hint at saying “It’s not just Capitalism”, you’ll be downvoted into oblivion.
Don’t you know how happy everyone has always been under communist and socialist governments? Not a single sad soul to be seen under those establishments! /s
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
He doesn’t have to be on the winning side as long as the capitalists (that own all the news media) can convince him that he is.
Vincentmario@feddit.uk 3 days ago
It feels really gaslighting/dismissive to read things like this. Why is it that people who talk about concepts like capitalism assume a bunch of information about you based on a complete lack of information? Is the idea the only reason I’m not anti capitalist must either be because a) I’m rich (extremely far from the truth), or b) I’m especially susceptible to propaganda? (Which would be weird… Otherwise why would I be using Lemmy in the first place when perhaps capitalism instead suggests I should be using Reddit).
My opinion: It kind of sucks to reduce people down like this lol. Am I insane for thinking this