Comment on Why do so many boomers and even some gen x believe so peristently that if you dressup and show up in person anywhere you will get whatever you went there for?

• TrojanRoomCoffeePot@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Have you heard the expression ‘pulling the ladder up after themselves’ in relation to Booomers, and the housing/labour market?

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  • SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    *Boooomers

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    • actionjbone@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooomers

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    • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      the extra o is for oh your god just retire you are the last generation with pensions

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  • Cassanderer@thelemmy.club ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Blaming the generation for losing to the 1972 biz roundtable plot would itterly condemn our own as things are getting way way worse.

    We need to organize.

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    • TrojanRoomCoffeePot@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      1972 biz roundtable plot

      I’d appreciate some illumination on this point, having never heard anything about any specific business reorganization in '72? America specifically, or was there some kind of global shift that I’m not recalling?

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      • Cassanderer@thelemmy.club ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        The major Business Leaders huddled up and made a long game plan that included infiltrating unions with organized crime, corrupting both political parties, capturing Regulatory Agencies, changing economic measures like the inflation rate to understate it which truly has been their biggest coup that is not even recognized by most of the population, also the unemployment rate only counting people collecting unemployment insurance Etc, capturing the Judiciary and stacking judges and prosecutors with their hand-picked groomed candidates from the Federalist Society type organizations. Fomenting the fear of the other and creating a police state to set Americans against each other, and so forth.

        Fixing elections deserves a mention as well although I do not know if they explicitly worked towards that at that time but definitely gerrymandering type stuff.

        Their biggest goals were to get rid of the New Deal programs like Social Security, but all of them, unemployment insurance, disability, workers compensation, to go back to the good old days when the old or injured or handicapped would be thrown out in the street to beg and or die.

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    • IronBird@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      there is one consolation atleast…consolidation makes this problem easier to fix, in theory

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• Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  They probably did have recent success with a variation on the theme. While they’re likely old enough and established enough now that they’re not having to walk around to retail businesses off the street and attempt to get a job like they did when they started out, this approach likely helped in more recent times in their career in the context of promotions or switching to a new job in their same field or at a similar level in a new field. They might have succeeded in getting that new job or promotion in large part due to their social connections and direct interface with the right people just like they’re advising you to do, except in their case it’s now at the higher level, which is probably one of the few places left where showing up at the right time, having the right manner and air about you and dressing nicely actually still makes the difference. The tactics wouldn’t work on their own, they still needed their credentials and connections and experience to get that far in the first place, but it probably helped cinch the position. Now they’re trying to give practical advice to someone just starting out and for them those tactics genuinely are still helping even if they’re not the sole factor in their success and when they cast their minds back to when they started out it helped a lot then too. With this experience in mind, in their shoes, it worked way back when, and it still works now at the higher level and the youngster you’re earnestly trying to help doesn’t have much else going for them since they’re starting out so of course they should at least do this and if everyone else is applying online then this alone will make them a memorable candidate for putting in the extra effort and place them ahead of 90% of the pack.

  In reality, it doesn’t really work that way, the processes are centralised, the people physically in the office or location don’t really handle this themselves so they don’t care what you were like to talk to or how you dressed because it’s not their decision and the way the jobs market is, the employers have the leverage and there’s way more people looking for the jobs than there are jobs so it’s not going to be practical to have them all turning up in a suit because they want to be remembered and they prefer to streamline the process rather than deal with people directly.

  I totally see why it would seem like sensible advice to someone who started working when these simple steps were a marker of basic competency and motivation and for whom it now continues to matter to this day. They’re just insulated from the way the situation has shifted.

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  • valek879@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    I’m a millennial, the last time this advice worked for me was in 2019. I applied to the job online and went and sat in their office for an hour and a half waiting to talk to the manager for the position I wanted.

    Eventually we chatted for like 5 minutes, I told him my name, that I applied on line, and that I’m ready to start as soon as they’re ready to hire me.

    I got the job. The next one was a bit less dramatic but still involved some extra bugging after applying online.

    But all of this in a county of 30k people for a labor job that I was overqualified for. I think this would still give you a leg up in the right environment or job search. But I haven’t looked for a job in 4 years and my wife is a programmer and you can’t do this stuff for those jobs. We’re at least 50 applications deep at this point with no contact from companies.

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• Cassanderer@thelemmy.club ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  For sure. Tbf though, things have gone to hell even more in our generation. Is it their, and now our, faults for not stopping a business plot hatched in 1972 at the biz roundtable to subjugate and impoverish workers and remove protections?

  To some degree, we need to do more for sure. But divided we will not, we need organization to combat the organized biz plot(s,) and blaming the boomers by the same logic would as of yet utterly condemn our own generations.

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