Comment on 4chan faces UK ban after refusing to pay ‘stupid’ fine
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 1 day agoWithin reason. Libel, incitement to violence, hate speech, etc, should be illegal for obvious reasons
There is an obvious reason why countries like Germany make a strong stance against any “trolling” nazi joke/imagery/salute.
But America’s First Amendment seems to not understand that reason (or only understand when it is weaponized against communism, black people, trans rights and all the “woke culture” stuff)
But America’s First Amendment seems to not understand that reason (or only understand when it is weaponized against communism, black people, trans rights and all the “woke culture” stuff)
Like alot of things in the USA, laws are selectively enforced for protect the status quo
America’s first amendment doesn’t grant a total right to free speech. Conspiracy to commit murder is just speech, but is very much illegal, and so is copyright infringement.
Everyone has a different definition, but yeah generally free speech in an ideal sense extends to just before you start causing what a reasonable person would concern harm to someone.
Fuck that. People spreading racial hate and public lies with the intention to mislead the public should be locked up.
I would say intent matters and while it’s impossible to truly determine it, we still have a distinction for murder/manslaughter and negligence.
If a politician lies or hides something for personal gain, that should be illegal, but there’s so much stuff the state does where it’s best if the general public don’t know, public order would probably break down pretty quickly otherwise.
Same with racial hate. If it’s just stating an opinion, fine, I probably don’t agree but go ahead. If you’re actively trying to harm (mentally, economically, socially or physically) that group, or inciting others to do the same, then that’s not fine.
I can’t think of where “racial hate” could possibly be “just stating an opinion” without also causing harm that is both mental and social.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 11 hours ago
Maybe, but what about when governments start saying being anti-israel is hate speech?
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 11 hours ago
Once your govt has been captured by foreign interests, it doesn’t really matter what laws are on the books anyway, they’ll find a way to screw you over.
hayvan@feddit.nl 11 hours ago
Early this year Rümeysa Öztürk was kidnapped and deported from USA with precisely that excuse. Anti-Israel hence pro Hamas hence enemy of USA.