Comment on 4chan faces UK ban after refusing to pay ‘stupid’ fine

spez@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Within reason. Libel, incitement to violence, hate speech, etc, should be illegal for obvious reasons

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  • nekbardrun@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    There is an obvious reason why countries like Germany make a strong stance against any “trolling” nazi joke/imagery/salute.

    But America’s First Amendment seems to not understand that reason (or only understand when it is weaponized against communism, black people, trans rights and all the “woke culture” stuff)

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    • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      But America’s First Amendment seems to not understand that reason (or only understand when it is weaponized against communism, black people, trans rights and all the “woke culture” stuff)

      Like alot of things in the USA, laws are selectively enforced for protect the status quo

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    • lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Germany make a strong stance against any “trolling” nazi joke/imagery/salute

      And look how that’s working for them: clamping down on pro-Palestinian protests as antisemitism, raids & arrests over calling a politician pimmel.

      America’s First Amendment seems to not understand that reason

      The 1st Amendment “understands” just fine. You don’t understand and want a thought-police state.

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    • AnyOldName3@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      America’s first amendment doesn’t grant a total right to free speech. Conspiracy to commit murder is just speech, but is very much illegal, and so is copyright infringement.

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      • burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Conspiracy actually requires an act towards the plan. It’s not just speech.

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  • 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Everyone has a different definition, but yeah generally free speech in an ideal sense extends to just before you start causing what a reasonable person would concern harm to someone.

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    • FelixCress@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Fuck that. People spreading racial hate and public lies with the intention to mislead the public should be locked up.

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      • 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I would say intent matters and while it’s impossible to truly determine it, we still have a distinction for murder/manslaughter and negligence.

        If a politician lies or hides something for personal gain, that should be illegal, but there’s so much stuff the state does where it’s best if the general public don’t know, public order would probably break down pretty quickly otherwise.

        Same with racial hate. If it’s just stating an opinion, fine, I probably don’t agree but go ahead. If you’re actively trying to harm (mentally, economically, socially or physically) that group, or inciting others to do the same, then that’s not fine.

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      • lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        They should start with you.

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  • Korhaka@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Maybe, but what about when governments start saying being anti-israel is hate speech?

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    • AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Once your govt has been captured by foreign interests, it doesn’t really matter what laws are on the books anyway, they’ll find a way to screw you over.

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    • hayvan@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Early this year Rümeysa Öztürk was kidnapped and deported from USA with precisely that excuse. Anti-Israel hence pro Hamas hence enemy of USA.

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  • lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    hate speech

    Nope: unless you’re arguing people are mindless automatons who must act on whatever message they’re exposed to, people can be expected to self-control.

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    • AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Hate speech directly affects and impacts the parties targeted, regardless of whether anybody else is influenced by said speech.

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      • lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Are you saying if you listen to hatespeech all day, then you feel compelled to commit violent acts? Or are you saying you need to lock others away for speech that merely offends you?

        If the former, then maybe you need to be locked up. If the latter, then you need help working on your authoritarian tendencies.

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• WALLACE@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The permission of unrestricted hate speech is what leads the people like your current president being your current president.

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