too_high_for_this@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Weird story. Apparently, the delivery driver walked into the customers home (door was open) where he was waiting? with his pants and underwear down.
When I delivered pizza, I would absolutely never enter a home. That’s like rule #1. Really good way to get robbed. Or see something you don’t want to.
And seeing a naked man in his home is not the same as being sexually assaulted. It’s gross and probably illegal if he set it all up for sexual gratification, but unless there’s more to this story, there was no assault.
I’m not sure what she wanted door dash to do about it? If you report something like that they obviously won’t respond immediately, it would get flagged and sent to a legal team.
Don’t excise this guy’s behavior. He set up a deliberate situation in order to make her uncomfortable. That is sexual assault.
Also, she didn’t “go into” his house. He was visible from well outside the door. Which is viewable from public areas. Which is a crime.
“Making her uncomfortable” is not sexual assault. Where, exactly, is the assault? Saying shit like this cheapens and trivializes actual sexual assaults and the impact those words have on society.
If I go out naked under a trench coat and flash someone that is sexual assault. I’m getting off on the power of being able to expose myself to them without their consent.
This man lured this woman in for the same reason.
And if I’m asleep in the buff on my couch and you come over to look at my junk, you’re the pervert, not me. Screaming “sexual assault” like some kind of catch all for your own fuckups is not a magic spell that will make everything better. All you are doing is actively hurting the credibility of people who actually experience sexual assault. Read the material.
Yeah going inside was dumb and should be against the rules if it isn’t already. Still I would expect them to ban the dude from placing future orders and would want to know if they had ignored previous reports about him (probably need a lawyer of your own to find that out though).
When I delivered pizza, I would absolutely never enter a home. That’s like rule #1. Really good way to get robbed. Or see something you don’t want to.
I also delivered pizza and knew this rule… Partly because fellow drivers and my workplace told me about it. These drivers don’t have coworkers nor bosses that tell them what is and what isn’t safe. A lot of them are young and have never worked with the general public, or have previously been very sheltered.
And seeing a naked man in his home is not the same as being sexually assaulted. It’s gross and probably illegal if he set it all up for sexual gratification, but unless there’s more to this story, there was no assault.
Yes, it is… Like most people, you are confusing assault with battery. Sexual assault is any nonconsensual sexual contact(meeting/encounter). Sexual battery or aggravated sexual assault is sexual assault with the use or threat of force.
I’m not sure what she wanted door dash to do about it? If you report something like that they obviously won’t respond immediately, it would get flagged and sent to a legal team.
Some of the apps require you to get a code from the buyer to get paid for the delivery.
I don’t really know why we are blaming the victim here?
Yes, it is… Like most people, you are confusing assault with battery. Sexual assault is any nonconsensual sexual contact(meeting/encounter). Sexual battery or aggravated sexual assault is sexual assault with the use or threat of force.
An alternate perspective: he had a peeper let herself into his house, then accuse him of being naked in his own home.
From her perspective, she obviously believes it was an intentional assault. On the other side of the same coin, it’s entirely possible that she just strolled into some dude’s house when he wasn’t expecting it. And if that’s the case, he was the one who was assaulted. He was out of public view, and being naked in the privacy of your own home isn’t a crime by itself.
My point is simply that we can’t know what happened, because none of us were there. So to simply open by stating that she was assaulted is inherently biased. If he intentionally set it up for his own gratification, he assaulted her. I’m not arguing against that. But if he genuinely wasn’t expecting someone to let themselves into his house, (because honestly, why would anyone think that’s okay to do?) then he’s actually the victim here.
And the actual “what happened” part is something for lawyers to argue over in court. If he had a note saying to let herself in, and the front door was standing wide open, it’s a pretty open and shut case against him. Still a monumentally stupid move on the driver’s part, (because seriously, why would you ever enter someone’s home while making a delivery?) but it would obviously be something that he orchestrated. But again, that’s for the lawyers to argue about, because there could be confounding factors. What if there was no note to let yourself in, and he just had the door open because he was airing out the house on a nice day? Maybe he expected the driver to leave his food on the porch. Maybe he didn’t have his phone on him (because he was naked and had no pockets) and therefore didn’t feel the notification that the driver was on their way. Those are just a few quick what-ifs off the top of my head, and any of them could be possible.
it’s entirely possible that she just strolled into some dude’s house when he wasn’t expecting it. And if that’s the case, he was the one who was assaulted.
That’s an idiotic take considering he ordered a service where someone has to meet with you… Especially considering that all of these services tell you exactly when and where the person is. Meaning he initiated a contact.
point is simply that we can’t know what happened, because none of us were there. So to simply open by stating that she was assaulted is inherently biased.
We’re not in adjudicating a court case, we’re just interpreting someone’s accounts. If we are assuming that they are being honest, then what they described was a sexual assault.
Besides that, I wasn’t commenting we there the story was accurate . I was commenting on the misconception the person had that sexual assault was to be physical in nature.
Again… Why are we falling over ourselves to defend this guy?
But if he genuinely wasn’t expecting someone to let themselves into his house, (because honestly, why would anyone think that’s okay to do?) then he’s actually the victim here.
Again, pretty difficult to argue that case considering that he ordered a service where a person has to come to your house and have a face to face interaction. Do you often get undressed with your front door open?
Still a monumentally stupid move on the driver’s part, (because seriously, why would you ever enter someone’s home while making a delivery?)
Again we are blaming the victim here.
Blaming the victim and defending the pervert isn’t a good look.
Is she the victim, though? From what I understand, the guy wasn’t at the door, but asleep (or pretending to be) in his own home, which should be entirely legal. The “more info” link says the door was ajar and she filmed him. If she pushed open the door, entered his home and filmed him there, she might be the sex offender here.
Of course if he set this up intentionally, that’s exhibitionism (not voyeurism, as the article incorrectly calls it), but still, inside his own home.
Yeah, ordering delivery then getting naked seems like normal behavior.
It does sound like drunk behaviour. Or maybe even old person behaviour.
Can’t they leave the food at your door?
Oof, people digging deeper to justify this creep is making this thread real weird
Except if they’re actually correct about what happened then you’re just ignoring the facts of the issue to just label some random guy a creep based on faulty info and judging people for wanting to know what actually happened
Walking into someone’s home and complaining you saw him naked is not assault.
If the door was open and there was no response when you rang/ called out and you expected someone to be there i think it’s pretty normal to want to enter and make sure whomever was at home was ok. Filming your entry would be smart too. The girl might have expected to find someone injured or maybe even a corpse.
So when I say it, I get downvoted to hell. But when this guy says it, it makes sense. Got it.
What makes you think you’re responding do a guy?
plz1@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Well, maybe deacticate the guy’s account instead of the victim? Or arbitrate it properly? Definitely not disable access to her account (and money). But I guess now she has a legal case against them for both negligence and wage theft (I know the US doesn’t really prosecute wage theft, even though it is the biggest form of financial theft).
too_high_for_this@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I assumed they froze both accounts to have a legal team properly review everything. Even a small complaint can get your account frozen. And it’s not wage theft when you’re technically a third party contractor.
Dragonstaff@leminal.space 1 day ago
Are you under the impression that third party contractors are not paid wages?
jj4211@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Sounds like she posted her video of the customer online, which would seem to make her hands unclean. Taking the video for your own evidence sure, but posting it online crosses a line. So I could easily see both parties having their accounts suspended.
So he likely set a trap for a stranger to get a show to get off on being a bit of an exhibitionist, but it’s hard to really prove that intent, and she took a video of it and then posted it online, which is another whole can of worms being opened.
Now if they are refusing to let her take money from doordash, she’s got a legal case, though unsure if it is ‘wage theft’, since the whole loophole with these ‘gig’ companies is that there’s no employment and it’s all transactional. Terribly exploitative system.
M137@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
“deactiate”