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SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

• insomniac_lemon@lemmy.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  it works about as well as a non-confidence vote

  That doesn’t seem true.

  en.wikipedia.org/…/List_of_prime_ministers_defeat…

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  Nixon resigning so he could get pardoned (that’s it).

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  • SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Leader resigns before the vote, next leader takes over and nothing changes no new election happens. Trick is to resign before the vote.

    There’s always ways out.

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• 9point6@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  A successful no confidence vote in the UK triggers an election at the earliest opportunity

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  • higgsboson@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    And likewise a successful impeachment would be required for it to mean anything in the US.

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    • skulblaka@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Trump has been successfully impeached twice. Impeachment just doesn’t mean “removed from office” like everything thought it did. Unfortunately the Supreme Court is who makes the decision about whether an impeached president is removed from office or not.

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      • d00phy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        AFAIK, the only involvement SCOTUS has in a presidential impeachment is the chief justice presides over the hearing in the Senate. That’s the procedure that would remove the president from office.

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      • Triasha@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        The Constitution is clear, the house votes to impeach, the Senate votes to convict and needs a supermajority.

        Nixon resigned because it was a done deal that he would be convicted. Trump remained and his party did a little jury nullification and voted not guilty regardless of the evidence.

        The SC didn’t need to do anything to stop impeachment (and doesn’t have the legal authority to do anything about it regardless)

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    • wewbull@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Impeachment just opens somebody up to trial without the protections of the office. It does not remove them from office.

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  • SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Party leader resigns and their next party leader takes over and nothing changes most time. A no confidence election doesn’t happen if they resign, there’s ways around it.

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    • wewbull@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      It changes.

      In the UK the sequence Cameron -> May -> Johnson -> Truss -> Sunak definitely had differences. They were variations on a theme sure, but there were differences.

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    • Admetus@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Even if they resign, a no-confidence vote can occur for the next prime minister. It’s just that everybody is placated for a bit.

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• wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  No confidence votes are a referendum that forces a new vote. Impeachment is done by representatives and kicks off a process that gets blocked by the senate and results in no change, ever.

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  • NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    It was ridiculously political (shocker) and a lot more complicated, but the simple explanation is that the case against Nixon was so solid that he preemptively resigned to save face and get a pardon.

    So not a true impeachment but effectively the only successful one.

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    • wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      It still didn’t result in a conviction and removal from office

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      • NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        It was legal (adjacent) action that resulted in removing a criminal from office.

        The rest is just nitpicking.

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      • SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        *in the USA

        Other countries exist with that mechanism and have had successful impeachments.

        It’s more that one side of the fence has so many more times that’s it’s been able to happen. How many leaders in impeachable countries have their been vs countries with a non-confidence vote instead?

        Could just be different scales here.

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• princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Under most (all?) parliamentary systems, a simple majority is all that’s required to pass a no confidence vote.

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  • SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    And when the leader resigns before the non confidence vote is cast? What happened then?

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    • princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      generally it’s a no confidence vote in the government regardless of who’s leading it

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