Thanks for answering the question properly.
Comment on Has Charlie Kirk ever changed his views on a subject during a debate?
Steve@communick.news 2 days ago
No. He operates as an Evangelical Apologist. He makes arguments that sound logical and convincing enough, as long as you don’t think about or look into them that much.
I think at Stamford recently his whole argument against gay marriage was completely torn down, and he finally just said, he simply didn’t like it. I’ll look for the video.
HakunaHafada@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 2 days ago
By “properly” you seem to mean “giving me the answer I wanted even if it’s wrong, without any evidence to support it”.
HakunaHafada@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
“properly” meaning avoiding meme answers and rhetoric like many other commenters have done, i.e.:
- Once and the message stuck with him for the rest of his life.
- Who cares? He’s dead now.
- I heard he started leaning left shortly before his death.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 2 days ago
Lying isn’t any different to using a meme.
Ledivin@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Why didn’t you answer the question, if you’re so sure every other one is wrong?
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 day ago
Anyone thinking that his mind was going to be changed about his beliefs missed the entire point of what he did. He used the “change my mind” platform almost exclusively to point out the absurdities, the hypocrisy, and the “misinformation” about points that he was an expert on, and where his mind could not possibly be changed because the alternative to his point of view is factually wrong.
When he spoke about abortion, he could never have his mind changed that is it “murder” because it is, unquestionably taking the life of a living thing intentionally. I am 10000% pro abortion, but I do not delude myself into thinking that it’s not the killing of an unborn baby. It is. Factually.
What he did was expose the hoops people jump through to come to their beliefs on very specific things.
If you took his premise as “he will surely change his mind about things that are fundamentally correct, even if you disagree with those fundamentals” then you completely misunderstand the premise. It was for him to try and change other people’s minds by making them try to change his mind and in doing so realise that what they have been brought up to believe is based on misinformation/lies/uninformed opinions.
It’s like if I did a “change my mind” post and said “freedom of speech means hearing things you don’t want to hear without murdering the person saying them” and people came up and tried to argue with me that someone should be murdered for saying they hate all black people, my mind can’t be changed because I am fundamentally and unquestionably right.
He was a very smart man, and he knew exactly what his limits were. Every single topic he brought to discussion was one he was passionate about, and almost too educated one. He could quote pretty much any part of any religious text off hand, laws, the constitition, etc. He would prepare meticulously and read every single piece of literature and study on the topics he was going to discuss so he knew what to argue. His entire career was talking to people about topics that he knew everything about.
Lastly not every minute or discussion with every person he ever spoke to at his events is recorded or available for us to watch. His channel, like every single other channel in existence, only showed the bits that make them look the best - and that was when he made other people change their minds, or when it showed them losing their minds at people daring to have a different view. He’s not going to post a video of him being “wrong”.
Tehhund@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Okay, what’s the truth then? Cite your evidence.
mugita_sokiovt@discuss.online 1 day ago
Leviticus 18:26 is the argument used against homosexuality, for it says (using YLT) “And with a male thou dost not lie as one lieth with a woman; abomination it [is].”
Steve@communick.news 1 day ago
“My favorite book said so”, isn’t an argument. It’s a delusion.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Tell that to the vast majority of religious morons
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 20 hours ago
Weird, I just tried, and they just ignored it?
52fighters@lemmy.sdf.org 2 days ago
He changed his mind to agree with Catholics about the Blessed Virgin Mary. That’s rare for an Evangelical.
mugita_sokiovt@discuss.online 2 days ago
So he supported the false intercessor in Mary? That sounds like worshiping the Image of the Beast (the idols the Pope set up) if you ask me.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Do you want a 30 years argument, bringing this up is how you get that
Wrufieotnak@feddit.org 2 days ago
If Christians would go back to crusading against each other like the fourth crusade, the rest of us could maybe have some peace.
showmeyourkizinti@startrek.website 2 days ago
Yeah, this only leads to troubles.