OK, but - could he not leave? Or say “i do not want to”? I don’t get it
Comment on Kick faces possible $49 M fine after French streamer Jean Pormanove dies on air
Womble@piefed.world 2 weeks ago
The title kinda buries the lede there. I thought it was ridiculous to fine a platform just because a streamer happened to die on camera, but no, they were streaming months long abuse and torture of this guy at the hands of his co-streamers.
jagermo@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Nice victim blaming.
jagermo@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
No, no, not at all, i just do not unterstand it.
Kellenved@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
A person with a intellectual disability will often be easier for abusers to manipulate and may not value their own well-being over the abusers approval
DanWolfstone@leminal.space 2 weeks ago
He actively wanted out as seen by the desperate text sent to his mother saying how he “felt like a hostage” that was read aloud by one of his abusers on stream, but due to coersion both financially and socially. In one of the streams his abusers openly brag about how if he doesnt participate in their “game” they’ll take the keys for his car and his apartment until he does.
There’s generally a lot of factors that add up to staying in an abusive situation. From his point of view its likely that there didn’t seem much of an option for him outside of this.
mrdown@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
He may have been very emotionally broken that he can’t think rationally . Everybody has completly different tolerability levels. The teo guys who tortured him could still have say no too so they are responsible
WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
He could.
0xSim@lemdro.id 2 weeks ago
“Sure you can leave, but this will end the stream marathon, the three of us will lose money over it, and our community will be quite upset with you. But yeah, you can leave. Alright.”
QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Apparently he tried to but they refused
frongt@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Was it real or simulated? I haven’t seen any article make a definitive statement.
Rothe@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
“Salut maman, Comment tu vas ? Coincé pour un moment avec son jeu de mort, avait-il déclaré. Ça va trop loin. J’ai l’impression d’être séquestré avec leur concept de merde. J’en ai marre, je veux me barrer, l’autre il veut pas, il me séquestre”. ("Hi Mom, how are you doing? Stuck for a moment with his death game, he said. It's going to be Too far. I feel like I'm sequestered with their concept of Shirt. I'm sick of it, I want to get out, the other one he wants Don't, he's sequestering me.")
Zos_Kia@lemmynsfw.com 2 weeks ago
Just a nitpick, “jeu de mort” would never be translated as “death game”. In this context “de mort” would be an intensifier like “fucking” or “damned”.
Rothe@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
I see. It is google translate though (the translation duckduckgo provided was even more horrendous).
_cryptagion@anarchist.nexus 2 weeks ago
Uh, what’s does that matter? Is it ok to stream shit like that if it’s simulated?
Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
Should we not be able to watch Reservoir Dogs because there’s simulated torture in it?
_cryptagion@anarchist.nexus 2 weeks ago
I like that. That's a good strawman. You compared a Kick stream focused on and containing only torture that literally killed a person to an artistic form of expression, a movie that was screened at Cannes and won many awards and is ranked second on the list of the Sundance Film Festival's Top 10 films of All Time.
Obviously, I don't think you're a big enough idiot to have meant that seriously, it was clearly satirical.
Lampadaire_raclette@jlai.lu 2 weeks ago
Would you watch a torture scene if you’re not sure it is simulated or not?
In a movie? It’s Surely fake. On a livestream? I won’t be so sure.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
By how it reads, it kind of looks like more of a Jack-ass situation if voluntary abuse. There was some mention of him getting shot with paint balls. Also, the autopsy report said he had no trauma.
cheese_greater@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Physical trauma maybe
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
Well sure, it could have been something he drank, or maybe he wanted to kill himself and took something on purpose. We’ll probably end up finding out more at some point.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If that is the case then I’d like to see how aware they were of what was happening. I’d push for criminal charges against management in that case.
oozynozh@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Kick CEO was a top 5 donor to the channel in question. Not only did they know, they actively encouraged it.
Steve@startrek.website 2 weeks ago
The fuck
idntknow@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It is insane how it is even possible to live stream the torture of someone for months without any law enforcement getting involved.
TheMcG@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
They kinda did. The dudes were taken in as part of an ongoing investigation but were then released.
ctvnews.ca/…/outcry-over-french-streamers-death-o…
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I mean, the footage is all public, right? Why shouldn’t the cops be able to watch it with their own eyes, and determine if it’s kosher?
TheMcG@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
execution of the law is always more complicated than we want it to be. They could have been let off as the investigation continued if the victim told the cops “i did everything with full consent and it was all an act for the entertainment of the stream.”. Cops/W/e the french version of DA is would possibly need to continue the investigation to show that either he was unable to consent to the actions or it was a lie that there was consent.
I’m just a layperson and maybe it was more cut and dry and the cops really dropped the ball. It just doesn’t seem so cut and dry legally to me. Will be interesting to see the outcome of the investigation from this.
PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
It’s all over the place on Facebook and Twitter though. There’s dog fighting, cock fighting, monkey abuse showing up on my Facebook home feed every now and then. This shouldn’t be a surprise really.
GlenRambo@jlai.lu 2 weeks ago
Thats just like, your algorithm man. -Labowskie
PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I’d love to know why an algorithm shows me this stuff as I don’t look any of it up. It’s quite traumatic to see. It’s the reason I don’t use these social media apps anymore. They’re all suggested posts and it’s an assault.
UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Seriously, all these comments about fucked-up and predatory content…has anyone considered quitting Facebook? Or just algorithmically-served content altogether? Am I crazy for preferring to build and do my best to expand my own silo rather than having billionaire-owned corporations do it for me?
Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
Facebook goes wild if you don’t really interact with it other than to browse.
Pause for a microsecond over something, welp I guess that’s your hobby now. For some reason mine always shows me chess. I have never played chess. Hate it. A family member on my Facebook friends list likes chess. FB just goes “chess? how about chess?” like it’s got nothing else to really offer other than flag waving racism.
WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
It’s similar to fear factor—you can authorize quite a lot of things in a contract.
The medical examiner has said that they don’t think his death was caused directly by the treatment during the stream.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
As long as you give a platform to the right wing, laws never apply to you.