Are animal products vegan
no
That’s a good point. Are animal products vegan if they’re willingly given by a being with enough sapience to consent? Is breastmilk vegan? I’d assume so, but I feel like it’s worth asking. I’m asking based on the idea that all people are animals, but not all animals are people. I know that’s something not everyone’s on board with, but I thought it would be good to include this disclaimer.
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 hours ago
remon@ani.social 13 hours ago
What about poop?
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 13 hours ago
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 hours ago
Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of … animals …
a forest can be exploited or a water source can be exploited. the definition of exploitation is not dependent on harm, nor sentience, nor consent. veganism seems to end all animal exploitation.
remon@ani.social 13 hours ago
So can I eat the poop and still be vegan or what?
Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Off the wall question: does that make exploitation of people incompatible with veganism, even with their consent? If so, can vegans own companies or even shares in publicly traded ones?
Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
Even breastmilk from parent to child? If not, is veganism a moral position? If so, is it immoral to be a human baby?
Not trying to throw stones here, just trying to clarify for the purpose of interpretation. I’m probably splitting hairs here, but it’s interesting to know where the line in the sand is. Obviously, the biggest opportunities are reducing industrial dairy and meat, which are definitely not consensual.
bacon_pdp@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
If I willingly breastfeed my child, what moral issue would you or any other person have with it?
If we are forcing a woman to breastfeed or be milked against her will; then that is a different question and a valid moral issue.
Consent matters
Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Me personally? None at all, and I shouldn’t have a say in it either. Other people? I have no idea. It still floors me that enough people object to public breastfeeding for it to be raised as an issue at all. The idea that potentially seeing a breast is more offensive (or offensive at all) than increasing the difficulty of raising a child is a bizarre and unconscionable one in my mind.
Agreed, but dear lord, I hope that’s never happened.
Agreed.
AmidFuror@fedia.io 13 hours ago
Can we say any woman can consent to breastfeeding her child if she lives in a patriarchy?
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 hours ago
Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals.
Tujio@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Most people agree that foods given with consent count as vegan, so breast milk would count. A lot of vegans eat honey, for example, because bees aren’t harmed in the harvesting process.
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 hours ago
got any studies to support this?
Soulcreator@programming.dev 13 hours ago
According to the vegan society’s definition of the term veganism, which is generally considered the go to definition, human breast milk when given with consent is vegan.
On the other hand while some attempt to debate the matter Honey is not considered vegan according to that definition.
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 hours ago
can you link that?
Khanzarate@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
Honey is questionably vegan because the book that establishes the basic principles of veganism specifically said its people’s choice whether to consider it as acceptable or not because of the lack of harm. If I recall correctly he said something like the debate is worth having but not worth fighting over, because everyone who is even having the debate is trying to do the right thing.
Tujio@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
Sure do.
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 hours ago
just saying it isn’t very convincing.
Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
TIL. I didn’t know honey could be vegan. I would have assumed all animal husbandry wasn’t vegan because of the artificial selection process at least.
Soulcreator@programming.dev 13 hours ago
By any strict definition of the term it’s not considered vegan, that said there are people out there who attempt to debate the matter.