brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 day ago
This is a clickbait headline from Tom’s, as that’s not how the speech was worded. Per their own cherry picked quotes
Trump continued, "I said, ‘Who the hell is he? What’s his name?’ 'His name is Jensen Huang, Nvidia, ’ I said, ‘What the hell is Nvidia?’ I’ve never heard of it before.
He’s implying he had never really heard of Nvidia before, like most of the US population.
Tom’s does this all the time; they’re notorious for it in the PC Hardware news community.
Yes Trump is an idiot and his speeches are stupid, but can we please not have ragebait stretching it even more?
I’m sorry to keep bringing this up and getting so sour, but I feel like Lemmy’s information hygiene is deteriorating, and we’re happily upvoting it away. Big community mods need to put their foots down and put up basic soft rules, like:
Link the original source (in this case the NBC video), link the place you found it in the description.
Check the Wikipedia perennial news table (which, to be fair, Tom’s isn’t in yet): en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/…/Perennial_sources
Try to avoid ragebait
THANK YOU. I’ve said many times, lemmy will upvote anything they believe to be true without a second thought. Then we turn around and make fun of gullible Boomers on FaceBook.
Around 1999 I learned to fact check if a headline or meme sounded crazy. Still applies today y’all!
I remember this happening back when everyone was using forums. This is a "Social Media" problem, not just a Lemmy problem. I have no idea how to fix it, but it's been around longer than votes have been a thing.
Twitter did exactly one thing right, and it’s community notes. Lemmy could definitely use a feature like that where the users can provide context that corrects clickbait headlines. Other than comments of course.
On the backend, Twitter must use some kind of (pre-LLM) language model to generate the sentiment of comments? I’ve never used Twitter before; how is it generated?
Lemmy could theoretically do that, but it’d either have to hit an API or host it with their server resources. And they’d need some expertise.
I’m not sure how they do it. I’d be super interested to know.
Yeah. To be fair, everyone’s gotta slowly learn that.
But I think it’s fair for communities/mods to lay down some posting standards.
but they got high profile in like the 90s three decades ago
Nobody but computer nerds had heard of NVIDIA back then. Go outside right now and snatch 10 neighbors or strangers, ask them if they know anything about the company.
I can only think of 3 people on my block who have heard of them. Me (35 years of IT), young neighbor (works county IT), young neighbor (PC gamer). Bet not another soul on the whole block would have a clue.
As my favorite YouTuber Paul Harrell (RIP) always said:
“Everything I’m saying today are my conclusions and my opinions. My opinions are based on my education, my training, my experience. Different people have different experiences so they have different opinions. I make no claim that my opinion has its origin in the mind of greatness. And if someone does tell you that their opinion has such origins, you should be very incredulous.”
I had a few people come to me asking when Nvidia starting surfacing in investor/finance land.
To PC gamers and hardware nerds. Not to the average person or the high levels of US politics.
Not sure why you’re being down voted. If you never built your own PC, you would have had zero reason to know who Nvidia was.
And most people buy pre built machines. Most of those have probably been laptops for the last 10-15 years, so not even the chance to upgrade. They just but the latest things with the biggest numbers and assume it will handle their needs.
100%.
Frequently Lemmy left users appear as deluded as Trump supporters with their foaming at the mouth support for anything and everything anti Trump.
It’s like hating Trump is a personality trait now, it’s fucking sad.
Thanks for outting yourself. I haven’t blocked anyone here lately.
Guessing you already blocked me, but are you suggesting I’m a Trump supporter?
I mean, I don’t have a problem with hating Trump being a personality trait. explain why I should like him, he’s represents everything I despise and it’s having the country somehow am even bigger laughing stock of the world. I mean I think he’s a character and fun to watch sometimes, but that’s about it. don’t really know how you can make Trump look worse than he already does with his hateful vile words and disgraceful record. he’s brought a new level of corruption to an already corrupt office, which I find quite astounding
I can’t see how anyone would be like, ‘why are people so quickly anti trump’ if you ask noone with braincells and good intentions should be supporting him (or the Dems for that matter)! but certainly.mot ana administration that is actively covering up one of the greatest child trafficking rings in modern history.
sorry for the rant but I just truley do not get this take 😭
I’d be more shocked if I came to lemmy and it read like r/conservatives
Uhhh what do you think my take is?
Because that’s exactly what Trump supporters do: don’t think critically, just blindly, loyally assume the opposition must always be incorrect.
It’s not about supporting him or not, it has nothing to do with that. It’s about seeing through objectively false posts and people cheering them on, which is exactly what has empowered Trump and given his supporters something to point to painting them as victims of lies.
It’s also how we got Trump. We overfed the troll.
I mean I realize we're talking about a moron here but grammar is important:
"I've never heard of them" vs "I had never heard of them"
So no, not clickbait.
Trump continued, "I said, ‘Who the hell is he? What’s his name?’ 'His name is Jensen Huang, Nvidia, ’ I said, ‘What the hell is Nvidia?’ I’ve never heard of it before.
The journalist pretty clearly put the quotation marks in the wrong place. It should be this:
Trump continued, "I said, ‘Who the hell is he? What’s his name?’ 'His name is Jensen Huang, Nvidia, ’ I said, ‘What the hell is Nvidia? I’ve never heard of it before.’
He’s quoting himself, in the past, saying “I’ve never heard of it before.” He’s not saying that he hasn’t heard of NVIDIA in the present moment. The context makes that clear, because in the next paragraph he describes how he got to know Jensen Huang and learn about NVIDIA. But the journalist closed the quote too early.
I dunno. I feel like trying to make sense of anything he says is like trying to make sense of Bible verses. The only person who knows is the one who said it but they're incapable or unwilling to clarify.
I think it was a couple of years ago, I made a reply on a thread where people were accusing the acreage Reddit user of being a bot or a shill (rightly so) - anyway, my position was that Lemmy is already being infected by similar.
Oh man did people get salty; but I swear it’s only been getting worse.
I’m not accusing anyone of being a bot or shill.
But I think information hygiene is super, super important, lest the Fediverse meet the same fate as the rest of the internet.
Oh for sure!
It doesn’t take very many who participate in bad faith, though, before information hygiene, as you put it, starts going by the wayside.
But, my apologies if it sounded like I was trying to hijack your message; was not my intent! Whether it’s bad actors or just people giving in to emotional reactions instead of reasoning out the argument, it is for sure important to be careful of misinformation. I’m sure a distressing amount is spread quite unintentionally.
No worries, I got the idea (and was a tad blunt clarifying). And yeah, for sure.
To expand on my perspective, I’ve encountered genuinely curious comments about link sourcing, questionable but popular sites and such. It reminds me there are young folks or newcomers still learning those concepts and “characters” of the internet, and I mean that with no intended condescension.
PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Trying to put Trump quotes into context is like trying to read a Pollock, it’s not possible and it’s not supposed to be. Your interpretation really didn’t change any of the meaning for me, and it certainly didn’t contradict the headline.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Here’s the actual video source:
youtu.be/BrTT7dX0mcQ?t=851
And if you don’t want that, a clip of the auto transcript I ripped from YouTube:
Trump’s clearly referencing learning about Nvidia in the past, and getting to know Jensen. Tom’s headline, on the other hand"
Is worded to imply Trump didn’t know who Nvidia is during or just before the speech, cherry picking a quote with no context, but technically plausibly deniable. Call it what you want, but that is classic tabloid journalism from Tom’s.
Habahnow@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Thanks for all the info. He talks about learning about Nvidia in the past, and mentions talking about breaking it up. That doesn’t sound like a business man talking about getting involved in the company, or competing against it, that sounds like a politician wanting to address a very strong company. Trump has only been a politician for the past 9 years. So Trump just found out about the largest chip designer in the world 9 years ago… That seems absurd to me.
PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 1 day ago
If it was so clear, we wouldn’t be having this conversation because I disagree. Like I said, even all that context doesn’t actually give any context because nothing Trump says really has any meaning. When he says something happened “in the past”, it could mean it happened at literally any time previously, it could mean he expects it to happen soon and as such is an inevitability so he just says it already happened, it could mean it never happened and never will. But even taking him at his word, nothing from that “context” makes me any less likely to believe he found out what Nvidia was minutes before taking the stage. And even if he did know what Nvidia was “in the past”, he did try to break it up without knowing what it was, so where’s the contradiction? I don’t see how that headline is implying any kind of timeframe, inaccurate or otherwise.
ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
It’s not unreasonable to simply dismiss what Trump says entirely, but it’s a different matter to assign it a meaning other than the meaning that can be inferred from context. You’re just putting words in his mouth at that point.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 day ago
This is reductive. Why report on anything he says then? But for the sake of argument let’s go with that.
So how do you go from that to concluding:
You’re not making any sense. You’re saying “you can’t trust a word that comes out of Trump’s mouth” and refuting his whole quote, while somehow holding up the conclusion that he didn’t know anything about Nvidia before walking on stage with, per your own standards you just emphasized, zero evidence, out of thin air.
wewbull@feddit.uk 1 day ago
That’s just the same as the article. Same quotes.
0x0@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
Navidia?
Batman@lemmy.world 1 day ago
It powers a tesler
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
That must be it. No way OP spelled that right.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 day ago
There might be typos from the transcription.