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In theory you can learn mind reading from some fantasy universe and check every Apple person. Or ask a crystal ball. Or use some other way to collect full information about our universe, check every rabbit hole, so to say, and then confidently confirm “there’s no Apple backdoor here”. “Here” meaning this plane of existence.

In practice yes.

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testfactor@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Even in your made up scenario it doesn’t prove the negative. Maybe your mind reading didn’t work because Apple has a mind wiping device that made them forget. Maybe the crystal ball didn’t work because Apple made an even more powerful “crystal ball blocking” device. You can’t prove that’s not what’s really happening.

So no, you in fact can’t prove a negative.

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- rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  With that additional detail in possibilities it’s also not possible to ever fully prove a positive.
  
  My example was with an assumption that you have the full information. Hypothetically.
  
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AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
I’m not claiming they don’t. I’m pointing out the absurdity of calling somebody out for not doing the impossible.

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- rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  I didn’t say “prove”, I used another word with bigger allowance. Of “likely backdoors vs likely not” kind. I wanted to say that their “public” conflicts with governments and their statements of the “trust us, we won’t sell you” kind are all worth nothing, because being caught lying won’t cost them anything.
  
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  - AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    What WOULD you consider evidence of them not having backdoors, then?
    
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    rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Everything FOSS and a good regular security audit
    
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