Iâm a woman and I disagree
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pyre@lemmy.world â¨4⊠â¨months⊠ago
i feel this is usually a bigger problem when you have a dick.
MissJinx@lemmy.world â¨4⊠â¨months⊠ago
TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works â¨4⊠â¨months⊠ago
itâs not exactly the same as a full understanding but my transmasc friends labido in the first year of T was much worse than my first year of E (so far atleast)
however my emotion regulation is WAYYYY worse than his was
neither of us would get off HRT for the world though.
macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world â¨4⊠â¨months⊠ago
*at least.
TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works â¨4⊠â¨months⊠ago
I did that on purpose
pyre@lemmy.world â¨4⊠â¨months⊠ago
yeah but now i have two people with reference points to both feminine and masculine hormonal makeup that agree with my assumption so Iâm gonna believe them moreâŚ
⌠not because they have unique perspectives but because they reaffirm my previously held beliefs
MissJinx@lemmy.world â¨3⊠â¨months⊠ago
Thats perfect. I accept
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com â¨4⊠â¨months⊠ago
âŚdamn thatâs a pretty good reason.
macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world â¨4⊠â¨months⊠ago
No, pyre is correct.
dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone â¨4⊠â¨months⊠ago
thatâs a common belief, but it varies a lot by individual, with many women having higher sex drives than men
pyre@lemmy.world â¨4⊠â¨months⊠ago
i actually wasnât talking about men vs women; i was talking about having a dick vs not, specifically because of having to deal with a boner during the day⌠but apparently some trans people who start taking T can get overwhelmed with how much it horns them up so i donât know; maybe itâs anecdotally true even.
other than that Iâve always believed itâs (at least mostly) social conditioning though.
TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works â¨4⊠â¨months⊠ago
i was talking about having a dick vs not, specifically because of having to deal with a boner during the dayâŚ
Actually this is really good place to share the knowledge Iâm too embarrassed to share irl!!
Iâm trans (MTF) and it doesnât really happen randomly the same way it did before hormones. The only time I get an erection is when I try to, and even then sometimes itâs difficult đĽ˛.
You are essentially required* to masturbate 1 or 2 times a week or else the tissue will disintegrate due to not being used, âmorning woodâ is what the body does naturally to stop this but on Estrogen it doesnât happen. Some choose to apply testosterone gel to help in this, but it hasnât been an issue for me.
Also with decreased labido itâs really easy to forget about it and apparently hurts when you do it again which Iâm kinda scared of tbh.
*ârequiredâ is subjective, but itâs not really reversible and also a working penis is ideal for getting bottom surgery and most people want to have good chances for bottom surgery âŚalso sex too lol
dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone â¨4⊠â¨months⊠ago
There are a few clarifications I would like to make:
Having an erection does not require the person to have sex, and is not the same as being horny or desiring sex.
Having a penis does not guarantee you have erections (let alone involuntary erections, which is what you seem to be talking about). People with penises who are testosterone dominant do have involuntary erections, but even so, see my first point for why thatâs not relevant.
Your claim was about being horny being a bigger problem for people with penises, which is a fair assumption but has more to do with testosterone than the penis (like youâve pointed out, trans men can be very horny without a âpenisâ - though it should be noted here that male and female genitalia are more similar than dissimilar and have the same structures of a phallus and glans, just in different configurations).
so itâs already suggesting that itâs not a myth.
The myth is the belief that men are horny while women are not, the reality is that it varies significantly by person. with significant overlap between the sexes. There is a difference on average, but itâs not as large or total as people commonly believe.
And finally, as you have pointed out the social context will skew the data significantly with fewer women being comfortable with sex than men, fewer women having learned to masturbate than men, and fewer women willing to discuss or disclose their sexual feelings or behavior than men. These differences in how sex is treated socially means whatever biological differences there are is muddled, especially when what was measured was self-reporting on frequency of masturbation. Itâs possible that men and women are far more similar than dissimilar than even the current evidence we have points to.
idiomaddict@lemmy.world â¨4⊠â¨months⊠ago
Itâs very much like height, where itâs correlated, but not restricted to people with lots of testosterone (more relevant than having a dick). And it really sucks being Trijntje Keever.
pyre@lemmy.world â¨4⊠â¨months⊠ago
having a dick was more relevant to my point which was about erections
TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works â¨4⊠â¨months⊠ago
The researchers propose to measure affect in terms of how easily you get aroused when faced with a sexual stimulus or situation. Likewise, behavior involves the frequency of sexual acts. And finally, cognition has to do with how often you think about sex.
thatâs actually really interesting that thereâs different categories of sex drives
oplkill@lemmy.world â¨4⊠â¨months⊠ago
for man its easier and faster to release that horny statement
pyre@lemmy.world â¨4⊠â¨months⊠ago
yeah but itâs kinda frowned upon by the people around
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com â¨4⊠â¨months⊠ago
Why? Gets physically in the way? Canât, like⌠Do pusâups?
pyre@lemmy.world â¨4⊠â¨months⊠ago
having to deal with a boner when you donât want it is an annoyance.
henfredemars@infosec.pub â¨4⊠â¨months⊠ago
I have a sample size of one trans friend who started taking male hormones and felt it completely overwhelming. He was absolutely astounded by how intense it was for months on end until he felt he built up some mental fortitude.
Clearly, itâs not an ideal comparison, and personal experiences are highly individual but I found their experience interesting.
shneancy@lemmy.world â¨4⊠â¨months⊠ago
as another trans guy i can confirm, T took my libido from âmid, horny sometimesâ to âI GET HORNY EVERY DAY AND IF I DONâT FIX IT I LITERALLY CANNOT FOCUSâ, in the span of like, no time, literally started with the first or injection
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com â¨4⊠â¨months⊠ago
Welcome to the party dude, this starts at age 12ish and (so far) never ends.
shneancy@lemmy.world â¨4⊠â¨months⊠ago
oh ya dw, iâve been on T for 7 years now, i have it mostly under control. apart from the times when it just doesnât seem to be going away, body parts already sore, brain still says horny, those days areâ something
pyre@lemmy.world â¨4⊠â¨months⊠ago
welcome to the club my man. donât get me wrong it can be annoying but Iâd rather have a never ending boner for the rest of days than have one period. Iâm cis so Iâve never experienced it myself but i have enough women friends (and a wife) to know i wouldnât want it for a day.
shneancy@lemmy.world â¨4⊠â¨months⊠ago
lmao same, dysphoria was the strongest during periods i hated them with a burning passion. T just made them stop, which is amazing.
acockworkorange@mander.xyz â¨4⊠â¨months⊠ago
Iâve recently had to start hormone replacement. Apparently my T levels were so low I was getting clinically depressed. So I went from half the minimum testosterone levels to slightly above the maximum. Now, Iâve always had a weirdly high libido, and I was afraid Iâd have to turn into a recluse. In fact, the opposite happened. I had barely any libido left. Iâd jerk off just to test if things even worked, and everything was fine, but it was like I was in constant post-nut clarity. I hated it. I didnât feel myself anymore, and having focus and clarity while all this shit is happening in the world⌠Like, the hormones did help with the depression a little bit, but it was offset by the otherness I am feeling.
Anyway, this rambling is my way to relate, in a way. You went through puberty of sorts, and Iâm going through a reverse one. I am having to get to know myself again, unsure as to what is happening to my body, and dealing with the occasional zit.
BTW, Instead of injecting T, the doctor attempted (successfully!) to kickstart my internal production with a drug that stimulates FSH production, which, in XY equipped hardware, boosts testosterone production. AMAB bodies normally deal with excess T by converting it to estrogen. To avoid that, another drug that blocked it was added. I found it curious how the same messengers are used by both sexes, sometimes with the same outcome, sometimes with completely different outcomes.
idiomaddict@lemmy.world â¨4⊠â¨months⊠ago
Thatâs one of the reasons Iâm worried about transitioning. Iâm already horny more frequently and intensely than any dude Iâve ever dated. Adding more testosterone to the mix sounds like a bad idea
shneancy@lemmy.world â¨4⊠â¨months⊠ago
perhaps youâre just manifesting the T horny already :D
but for real, if youâre sure of being trans and want most of the effects T brings - iâd say do it. iâm not thrilled about my thinning hair, receding hairline, or the acne v2 (this time harder to get rid of), but the bursts of self-hate cause by dysphoria are completely gone, and that makes being so much easier
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com â¨4⊠â¨months⊠ago
Coukd that just be, like, feeling comfier with your body and general brain soup?
shneancy@lemmy.world â¨4⊠â¨months⊠ago
feeling comfier is certainly making it easier to be horny, but hormones do 90% of the legwork here
stoicmaverick@lemmy.world â¨4⊠â¨months⊠ago
I would be fascinated to talk to this person. As a straight cis male dude guy, this is just all day, every day. Iâd be like hearing someone describe the sun whoâs never been outside before in the whole life.
pyre@lemmy.world â¨4⊠â¨months⊠ago
thanks for sharing; itâs wildly interesting! heâs one of a small number of people who can speak for two different modes of physical/hormonal makeup.