DrunkenPirate@feddit.org 6 days ago
And then you‘re lying on the table. Unfortunately, your case is a little different than the standard surgery. Good luck.
realistic surgery
lifelike patient
I wonder how doctors could compare this simulation to a real surgery. I’m willing to bet it’s “realistic and lifelike” in the way a 4D movie is.
Biological creatures don’t follow perfect patterns you have all sorts of unexpected things happen. I was just reading an article about someone whose entire organs are mirrored from the average person.
Nothing about humans is “standard”.
I wonder how doctors could compare this simulation to a real surgery. I’m willing to bet it’s “realistic and lifelike” in the way a 4D movie is.
I think “lifelike” in this context means a dead human. The robot was originally trained on pigs.
The article mentions that previously they used pig cadavers with dyes and specially marked tissues to guide the robot. While it doesn’t specify exactly what the “lifelike patient” is, to me the article reads like they’re still using a pig cadaver just without those aids.
Right I’m sure a bunch of arm chair docs on lemme are totally more knowledgeable and have more understanding of all this and their needed procedures than actual licensed doctors.
More than the doctors? No, absolutely not.
More than the bean counters who want to replace these doctors with unsupervised robots? I’m a lot more confident on that one.
and since its been the way its been for awhile sugeons know more theoretically how to do surgery rather than practically so can't really take over.
What if I’m on the table telling the truth?
That’s a different thing indeed. In your case the AI 🤖 is goes wild, will strip dance and tell poor jokes (while flirting with the ventilation machine)
I assume my insides are pretty much like everyone else’s. I feel like if there was that much of a complication it would have been pretty obvious before the procedure started.
“Hey this guy had two heads, I’m sure the AI will work it out.”
Buffalox@lemmy.world 6 days ago
At some point in a not very distant future, you will probably be better off with the robot/AI. As it will have wider knowledge of how to handle fringe cases than a human surgeon.
We are not there yet, but maybe in 10 years or maybe 20?
nyan@lemmy.cafe 6 days ago
I’d bet on at least twenty years before it’s in general use, since this is a radical change and it makes sense to be cautious about new technology in medicine. Initial clinical trials for some common, simple surgeries within ten years, though.
This is one of those cases where an algorithm carefully trained on only relevant data can have value. It isn’t the same as feeding an LLM the unfiltered Internet and then expecting it to learn only from the non-crazy parts.
curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 days ago
Hopefully more people learn that this is the important part.
It becomes nonsense when you just feed it everything and the kitchen sink. A well trained model works.
yardratianSoma@lemmy.ca 6 days ago
it’ll definitely get the greenlight in countries like China before anywhere in the west, I believe
brendansimms@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Why?
echodot@feddit.uk 5 days ago
The idea that a carefully curated data set may yield better results seems to be something that even the likes of Google engineers can’t get their heads around.
balder1991@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Or the most common cases can be automated while the more nuanced surgeries will take the actual doctors.
DrunkenPirate@feddit.org 6 days ago
I doubt it. It simply would be enough, if the AI could understand and say when it reaches its limits and hand over to a human. But that is even hard for humans as Dunning & Kruger discovered.
SheeEttin@lemmy.zip 6 days ago
Fringe cases yes, like rare conditions. It almost certainly won’t be able to handle something completely unexpected.
Buffalox@lemmy.world 6 days ago
The AI will (probably) be familiar with every possible issue that no human will be able to match.
I’m not sure what kind of “completely unexpected” situation is possible can happen, that a normal surgeon would handle better?
But I agree it would have to be a lot smarter than current LLM and self driving for instance. Like a whole other level of smarter. But I think that is where we are heading.
SheeEttin@lemmy.zip 6 days ago
Would it be able to handle a sudden power outage? A fire alarm going off?
watty@piefed.social 5 days ago
I think you make a mistake of thinking that our collective body of knowledge is exhaustive. We discover new things all the time. Until we know everything (i.e. never), there will be gaps that AI will not be able to accommodate.
its_prolly_fine@sh.itjust.works 6 days ago
The main issue with any computer is that they can’t adapt to new situations. We can infer and work through new problems. The more variables the more “new” problems. The problem with biology is there isn’t really any hard set rules, there are almost always exceptions. The amount of functional memory and computing power is ridiculous for a computer. Driving works mostly because there are straightforward rules.