Comment on YSK that apart from not having a car, the single greatest thing you can do for the climate is simply eating less red meat

Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This is both true and accurate, while still being a colossal cop out.

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  • Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Oh please.
    Every food needs to be transported.
    Well not if it’s produced and consumed locally but you forget you’re in capitalism where it’s cheaper to get your quinoa from 4000km away, etc.
    Also I don’t want to be fed on plant based protein.
    The world population can be fed anyway but capitalism says we need to destroy a lot of food to keep the prices down.
    And some regions don’t have food bcs it can’t get there or their crops are destroyed by war, again caused by capitalism.
    There’s a reason you don’t hear about little Greta anymore, she got wise.
    Everyone can parrot the BP carbon footprint garbage all they want, IDC. I have zero guilt

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    • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Also I don’t want to be fed on plant based protein.

      At the core of literally every anti-vegan argument is, "but I don’t wanna!"

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      • Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        yep imagine not doing what you want

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    • Wolf@lemmy.today ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I generally agree with your point (although I think we can hold corporations accountable and make whatever changes to our lifestyle that will help at the same time) but

      There’s a reason you don’t hear about little Greta anymore, she got wise.

      She was in the news just last month for trying to get humanitarian aid to Palestine. She was on a ship that tried to bypass Israel’s naval blockade and the Israelis seized the ship and it’s cargo and eventually deported the activists.

      She’s still very active in her environmental activism as well.

      You many not hear about her as much now that she’s a young woman and not a teenager, but your implication that she ‘got wise’ is incorrect. The mainstream media doesn’t like to report on her unless they can somehow make her look bad, because they don’t want to remind people that climate change is happening or encourage young people to follow her lead.

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      • Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I know about all what you said.
        And you’re completely wrong. It has nothing to do with being a teenager but with her anti-capitalist stance which she now understands is the core of the problem.
        They never tried to make her look bad (except right wing news) on the contrary they hyped her up big time.
        Now she’s noticably shunned by the media. There have been articles about that too.

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• 4shtonButcher@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I might be able get behind this argument when you talk about the rules on plastic straws. But red meat is terrible for the environment. As is driving cars. Especially ICE and especially when it’s just one person, i.e. most work commutes. Another thing is heating/ cooling homes btw.

  I personally think there are a lot of small things we should do as individuals but I understand not everyone might want to do them. I also agree that it’s up to governments to do a lot of heavy lifting. That can be things like establishing district heating or improving public transport. But maybe it can also be adding higher taxes on red meat.

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  • Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    " higher taxes on red meat"
    And there we go.
    They’ll probably do that and those taxes will not be used to do anything climate related.
    Or maybe buy some more carbon credits to legally pollute more.
    I’m tired of this blameshifting and not touching the core problem, capitalism and endless growth of consumerism.
    They can all go to hell.

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    • 4shtonButcher@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The income from a tax is generally not tied to a specific cause in most countries. If all it does is reducing meat consumption that would be a net benefit for the climate. And in this case also be beneficial for the economy as res meat isn’t healthy and contributes to a lot of disease among the population.

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      • Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I saidit is NOT reducing meat consumption. fucking hell you people are dense

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• Krudler@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Let me tell you something, the consumer is to blame.

  Nobody needs to orient their life around anything that they don’t choose. For example I willingly gave up my car and picked a job near me so I didn’t have to drive.

  There wouldn’t be a market for bottled water if people wouldn’t drink the fucking shit.

  This whole cognitive dissonance crap where you get to live a completely hedonistic trash-filled lifestyle, while justifying that you have the right because you’re sad about your earning… I am sick to death of this attitude in people.

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  • inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Frankly, it’s pretty lame to use (the imperically correct concept) of, no ethical consumption under capitalism to blanket absolve you of any responsibility with your choices. You can be mad at the stats but that doesn’t really change the reality of what massively contributes to climate change as a culture is. Living in a capitalistic hellscape isn’t a get out of jail free card.

    Just for your own sake, stop this line of thinking at “I don’t care” instead of looking for a scapegoat.

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  • Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    LOL
    Tell me what is your job?
    Don’t they sell crap?
    Do you live in a hut?
    Clean your ass with grass?
    Piss off with your selfrightious BS.

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    • Krudler@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      How about you go fuck yourself?

      :)

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  • Crampon@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    There wouldn’t be a market for bottled water if water was clean and readily available for free.

    The bottled water industry is way worse in Norway than in Spain for example.

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    • Krudler@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Even if you justification added up, you could just go get barrels of water, you don’t need to get individual bottles.

      You people actually make me sick with your BS

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      • Crampon@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Most scandinavians don’t buy individual bottles because of the drinking water quality. water is usually available most places. And it’s always free in regular cafes and restaurants in Norway if you ask for it.

        It’s solvable if the state does what’s it’s supposed to.

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  • problembasedperson@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Get out of here with your logic and reason!

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• Korhaka@sopuli.xyz ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  YSK that doing nothing because a corporation is worse isn’t going to fix this mess and your own lifestyle is still unsustainable if you live a typical western lifestyle.

  Also if you just wanted to do a little better using this chart you could replace with bacon. Surely even the most meat obsessed individual can manage that?

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  • Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Corporations are not ‘worse’.
    They are the bulk of the problem.
    They will do absolutely nothing about that since they can’t be touched for the holy profits of consumerism and the fanatic fixation on continuous growth of capitalism.
    I refuse out of principle and I feel zero guilt. Those fingerpointers can fuck off.
    They tax us suckers anyway for all the bad bad things we do to live.
    And that money they can give to corporations or buy more carbon credits to polute more.
    You can feel better and it may be good for your conscience but it’s like you’re un a bus driving down a cliff and your contribution is putting your foot on the road to slow it down.

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    • Korhaka@sopuli.xyz ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      And who is buying things from the corporations, keeping them in business? You can’t just absolve yourself of guilt by saying Ford are responsible for the emissions of your new F150.

      Sure, some people do make a bit of change, but plenty don’t. This is also a large part of the problem.

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      • Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        F150 right. Ridiculous exaggerations.
        Let’s see how you do buying nothing from corporations.
        Really you need a job at BP or some chemical multinational.
        You’re already doing their work.

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