Comment on YSK that apart from not having a car, the single greatest thing you can do for the climate is simply eating less red meat

chunes@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

• Tikiporch@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I haven’t had hundreds of kids. I’m a climate savior.

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  • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    you got rookie numbers. i could have had tens of thousands.

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• commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  i regard all antinatalism as ecofascism. i’m not asking you to change my mind, i’m letting you know you might be participating in a eugenics campaign.

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  • chunes@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    • Only a small subset of people who don’t have kids are antinatalists.
    • Antinatalism is not eugenics.
    • Environmentalism is the opposite of fascism, actually. When you stick up for the environment, you’re with the good guys.

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    • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Environmentalism is the opposite of fascism

      ecofascism is a real phenomenon. there is a cure for political illiteracy.

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    • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Only a small subset of people who don’t have kids are antinatalists.

      i’m not talking about people who don’t have kids. i’m talking about people who advocate for people not to have kids.

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    • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Antinatalism is not eugenics.

      maybe not in and of itself, but any advocacy for it or policies enforcing endorsing or causing it surely are.

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    • HailSeitan@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      2 truths and a lie…the deep ecology movement and the Unabomber would seem to undermine your third claim

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    • Angry_Autist@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      • Antinatalism is mental illness

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  • BussyCat@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    How is it eugenics if it has nothing to do with a parent’s genetic make up? Like if they said “meat eaters shouldn’t have kids” you could try and make an argument for eugenics but for nobody to have a kid or for everyone equally to have less children how is that eugenics?

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    • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      you are saying this in english, to a (self-)selected demographic subset of english speakers. you are encouraging a particular set of people not to have children. that’s eugenics. unless you can find a way to convey this message to everyone, at once, in an identical message given cultural and other contexts, you will be biasing the message to be more effective among some segment of the populous.

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      • RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        We’ve done it. We’ve finally found the Olympic Gold Medalist for Mental Gymnastics.

        Congratulations.

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      • BussyCat@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        So are you interpreting the comment as only people who speak English should not have kids?

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      • AlexanderTheDead@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Sorry buddy, that isn’t how this works. Great try tho. Go back to the whiteboard and come back when you have valuable input to share.

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  • jj4211@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    That’s one pair of philosophies that creep me out both ways. Both the anti natalists and pro natalists.

    Deciding for yourself is one thing, imposing your choice on others is maddening.

    I don’t know if the comment quite raises to the level of anti natalist though. Maybe it’s grading on a curve of reading some more hard core anti natalists, but that comment felt tame and felt like they wouldn’t necessarily object to a couple having one child or even two, being somewhat below the replacement level…

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    • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      i’m not pro-natalist, but i am anti-anti-natalist, if there is any room for that.

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  • Derpenheim@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    What a fantastically apt username

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    • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      in, as much as possible, a non-confrontational way, i’d love to hear why you think that.

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• Jarix@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  As a middle aged dude who is unlikely to have kids at this point, I’m curious about the numbers if you have some some suggested sources to peruse

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  • Jack@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Chart, Wynes et al. 2017

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