Comment on Companies That Tried to Save Money With AI Are Now Spending a Fortune Hiring People to Fix Its Mistakes

• Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Idk about engaging productivity.

  If your job is just doing a lot of trivial code that just gets used once, yeah I can see it improving productivity.

  If your job is more tackling the least trivial challenges and constantly needing to understand the edge cases or uncharted waters of the framework/tool/language, it’s completely useless.

  This is why you get a lot of newbies loving AI and a lot of seniors saying it’s counter productive.

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• ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I don’t know if it even helps with productivity that much. A lot of bosses think developers’ entire job is just churning out code when it’s actually like 50% coding and 50% listening to stakeholders, planning, collaborating with designers, etc. I mean, it’s fine for a quick Python script or whatever but that might save an experienced developer 20 minutes max.

  And if you “write” me an email using Chat GPT and I just read a summary, what is the fucking point? All the nuance is lost. Specialized A.I. is great! I’m all for it combing through giant astronomy data sets or protein folding and stuff like that. But I don’t know that I’ve seen generative A.I. without a specific focus increase productivity very much.

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  • k0e3@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It helps with translating. My job is basically double-checking the translation quality and people are essentially paying me for my assurance. Of course, I take responsibility for any mistakes.

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  • WanderingThoughts@europe.pub ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    So some places started forcing developers to use AI with a quota and monitor the usage. Of course the devs don’t go checking each AI generated line for correctness. That’s bad for the quota. It’s guaranteed to add more slop to the codebase.

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  • Ulrich@feddit.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    And if you “write” me an email using Chat GPT and I just read a summary, what is the fucking point?

    Fuuuck, this infuriates me. I wrote that shit for a reason. People already don’t read shit before replying to it and this is making it so much worse.

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  • jjjalljs@ttrpg.network ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    A lot of bosses think developers’ entire job is just churning out code when it’s actually like 50% coding and 50% listening to stakeholders, planning, collaborating with designers, etc.

    A lot of leadership is incompetent. In a reasonable, just, world they would not be in these decision making positions.

    Verbose blogger Ed Zitron wrote about this. He called them “Business Idiots”: wheresyoured.at/the-era-of-the-business-idiot/

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    • scytale@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I just watched an interview of Karen Hao and she mentioned something along the lines of executives being oversold AI as something to replace everyone instead of something that should exist alongside people to help them, and they believe it.

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  • cecilkorik@piefed.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    As a senior developer, my most productive days are genuinely when I remove a lot of code. This might seem like negative productivity to a naive beancounter, but in fact this is my peak contribution to the software and the organization. Simplifying, optimizing, identifying what code is no longer needed, removing technical debt, improving maintainability, this is what requires most of my experience and skill and contextual knowledge to do safely and correctly. AI has no ability to do this in any meaningful way, and code bases filled with mostly AI generated code are bound to become an unmaintainable nightmare (which I will eventually be paid handsomely to fix, I suspect)

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    • jaxxed@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Getting to deprecate legacy support… Yes please, let me get my eraser.

      I find most tech debt resolution adds code though.

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    • 6nk06@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s what I suspect. ChatGPT is never wrong, and even if it doesn’t know, it knows and still answers something. I guess its no different for source code: always add, never delete.

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      • saltesc@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yesterday it tried to tell me Duration.ToralYears() and Number.IsNaN() were M functions in the first few interactions. I immediately called it out and for the first time ever, it doubled-down.

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        I think I’m at a level where, for most cases, what I ask of LLMs for coding is too advanced, else I just do it myself. This results in a very high counts of bullshit. But even for the most basic stuff, I have to take the time to read all of it and fix or optimise mistakes.

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  • MisterNeon@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I was a frontend developer and UI/UX designer that specialized in JavaScript and Typescript with emphasis on React. I’m learning Python for Flask. I’m skipping meals so I can afford Udemy courses then AWS certifications. I don’t enjoy any of this and I’m falling apart.

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    • Shanmugha@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Hey there. Of course, I am in no position to say “do this, and it will be all right”, but I will say that if there is any other way to live that won’t put this kind of load on you - do it. You being happier is way way more needed in this world than you getting those certificates

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      • MisterNeon@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I can’t think of any other options that don’t end in the best case scenario of myself being elderly and destitute.

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• pelespirit@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Does anyone have numbers on that? Microsoft just announced they’re laying off around 10k.

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  • Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Microsoft did the June layoffs we knew were coming since January and pinned it on “AI cost savings” so doing so would raise their stock price instead of lower it.

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    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      they also admitted that thier AI isnt generating profit too.

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  • SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Doesn’t that have more to do with Gamepass eating game studios’ lunch though? And a lot less with AI? Just regular ol’ dumbass management decisions.

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    • DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s Microsoft would make most sense its mangement decisions considering recently theyve pulled all the stops out to guarantee the software cant be shittier. They even made all there software spyware now.

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