Comment on Facts and minds

loomy@lemy.lol ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

• neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  That’s really it!

  If it is a combative exchange neither side will concede.

  It’s better to pretend to be ignorant or on their side and then ask questions that lead them to the truth you want them to see.

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  • Tahl_eN@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I actually react well to combative. Not right away, but it puts me into a “I’ll show you” mood that drives me down a rabbit hole of research. If you’re right, I come out the other side with the data and admit I was wrong. But I assume I’m not normal.

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    • SolarMonkey@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I do the same thing. I’m also perfectly comfortable saying I was wrong if I was, and most people aren’t. I assume you are the same.

      No one person can know everything. But learning and updating the information that shapes my picture of reality is something enjoyable. I’d like it to be as accurate as possible. It blows my mind that many other people aren’t like that at all. No intellectual curiosity whatever.

      Though I do prefer more even-keeled discussion over combative tone. It’s just unnecessary and produces bad feels.

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      • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I do the same thing and I am not at all comfortable in saying I was wrong if I was, but I generally do it anyway because, well, fair is fair and I was indeed wrong plus I better than I discover it and correct it that keep on spouting bullshit.

        That said, if the other person was an assholein our discussion (for example, using personal attacks and insults) I won’t openly admit to them that I was wrong as I don’t want to give them the satisfaction (though I’ll internally accept I was wrong and correct my take from there oewards).

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    • lurch@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Yeah, “normal” people have no time or are too lazy to do that.

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  • henfredemars@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    This is a sign of emotional intelligence. When people get emotionally invested in their argument, they don’t want to lose, and they often won’t let themselves believe they can even lose even when they have.

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  • pennomi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    That’s both the strength and horror of LLMs. They are super good at presenting information in a pleasing way to the user… but can you trust that what it says is correct?

    To the majority of humans, a pleasing presentation is treated as evidence of truth, despite that being a logical fallacy.

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  • anomnom@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I’ve done this a few times with trumpets, but they always flip back after they realize what just happened.

    Usually end up hearing something like (hunters laptop, Jan 6 was all FBI agents or whatever X bullshit is popular).

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  • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Whenever I’ve tried to do this I get accused of “sealioning”

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    • neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I’ve never heard that term before.

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      • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I hate the term. I think what you described is a perfectly valid way to approach conversations, but be prepared to have the term thrown at you and to be accused of bad faith, because a decent part of the internet decided it was because a webcomic said so.

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• Quadhammer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  That’s just like your opinion, man

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  • loomy@lemy.lol ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    no, it really ties the whole room together

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