I wouldn’t trust them to not randomly enable WiFi, but you can also use their modem but disable any built in WiFi on it & still use your own router. ISPs continue to try to bundle their modem & router, which gives them complete access to your home network. Some lucky people have found fiber providers that let them use their own SFP.
You can buy cable modems cheap, too. No reason to use their crap at all.
timewarp@lemmy.world 1 month ago
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
“cheap” is a relative term.
Nobody should be buying a DOCSIS 3.0 modem these days. They are obsolete and for some reason still being sold.
A decent DOCSIS 3.1 modem is at least $200. A Next Gen like S34 is at least $220.
And then you have to get your own wifi.
It pays for itself pretty quick (by not paying rental fees), but that doesn’t necessarily make it cheap.
I absolutely prefer using my own equipment, and do…but it’s also worth mentioning that in many markets, Xfinity removed data caps if you have a rented modem.
ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 1 month ago
If a DOCSIS 3.0 modem still can’t be saturated by the tier of internet someone is paying for, what advantage would 3.1 have?
kieron115@startrek.website 1 month ago
If your provider has implemented it (Comcast is the only one i know of in north america) then Active Queue Management is a huge quality of life improvement that you won’t notice you were missing unless you already had a router that implements queue management. cablelabs.com/…/how-docsis-3-1-reduces-latency-wi…
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Not buying another modem when the ISP quietly upgrades the CMTS and makes more speed available in your neighborhood.
unphazed@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Yeah I recently switched from cable to fiber (finally available), and prior I was using an old as fuck modem/router that capped at 500Mbps. My internet at fastest was 380. I rarely transfer files over the network, so figured why bother? (I did have Gen1 Google Mesh though to cover dead spots). I had a bit of a shopping splurge when I got fiber. Nothing crazy, just an upgraded mesh and a switch (Why the fuck does Frontier provide an ONT with 8 ethernet ports but only one is active?)
CaptainPedantic@lemmy.world 1 month ago
At least in my case, my DOC IS 3.0 modem was having connectivity issues. My neighbor in another apartment had similar issues: dropped connections, slower than expected speeds, etc. Switching to DOCSIS 3.0 modems solved the problem. I guess Comcast upgraded their hardware and it wasn’t compatible with my modem anymore
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I used docsis 3.0 and it worked just fine. So why not?
fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Because docsis 3.0 standard is nearly 20 years old at this point and 3.1 is significantly faster. Docsis 3.1 is only 15, but 4 (which is still 8 years old) probably isn’t supported by your ISP yet. But the speed difference is quite noticeable. 3.0 will theoretically do 1gbps down, and 100-200 up, but 3.1 could do 10 down and 1gbps up. In the age of symmetrical fiber internet those upload speeds are dire. 3.1 realistically gets you a symmetrical gig connection.
Zorque@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Ah, so 3.0 is fine if your internet still sucks. Got it.
ayaya@lemdro.id 1 month ago
I have a 3.1 modem but my ISP only has 3.0 speeds as far as I can tell. 1000/100 is their highest plan so the extra doesn’t really do anything.
My modem is 32x8 and I can see in the UI that only 4 of the 8 upload channels are actually bonded to reach that 100, which is half of the 200 that 3.0 can theoretically do.
Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 1 month ago
It looks like DOCSIS 3.0 and 3.1 are for coax which should be avoid anyway . VodafoneZiggo is already starting with DOCSIS 4.0.
jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
In my neighborhood you get a choice between coax or nothing.
Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 1 month ago
5G modems are probably an opion.
SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Can confirm, I live out in the countryside with only coax available, and a measly 1Gbit down 150Mbit up and 9 - 11ms ping. No caps.
Wait, that’s awesome and steady and reliable. Expensive sure but with heavy multiperson usage and no noticeable issues, I am wondering WTF you’re on about unless it’s some weird edge case?
Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 1 month ago
Coax is generally a terrible and more expensive option, lower speeds all around and a worse ping. Especially now with fibre being so standard you shouldn’t go for Coax if you have the choice.
Currently I do not have the choice so I have to pay 40 euro a month for 100mbps down and 25mbps up, with fibre I get symetrical gigabit for 45 euro a month or 400mbps symetrical for 40 euro. That’s 16 times the upload speed for the same money. And the first party with their coax (VodafoneZiggo) sells their coax as a fiber-cable. Which is just misleading bullshit.
Heck the 5G modem I had was unstable at times, but the download was 100-200mbs and I paid 25 euro a month for that.
Croquette@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
I still use coax because I buy internet from a reseller third party and this is what they have. I have 400/50 for 35$, which is a lot cheaper yhan the competitors. No reason for me to change.
Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 1 month ago
Like I responded in the other comment, I can get fibre with 4 times the download speed and 16 times the upload speed for the same amount of money. And that is pretty standard since it is apparently a way cheaper thing to offer for companies.
Squizzy@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Rental? How much is rental?