Comment on Men are opening up about mental health to AI instead of humans

• pupbiru@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The genders are massivenly different in a lot of ways

  and even if you think that the psychology of genders isn’t different, society treats genders differently and this either from the therapist who reacts differently to different genders, or from the patient who expects difference the point is the same: the construct of gender forces artificial difference, even if it’s not based in real science

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  • TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    and even if you think that the psychology of genders isn’t different, society treats genders differently and this either from the therapist who reacts differently to different genders, or from the patient who expects difference the point is the same: the construct of gender forces artificial difference, even if it’s not based in real “our brains are the same” science (which they aren’t - same as our biology isn’t quite the same)

    amen. brother, sister, or whatever preferred identity you want to be.

    more treating people as individuals, less as treating them as stereotypes

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• Doom@ttrpg.network ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Again. Coping skills are not gender specific they’re individual specific.

  Nobody is screaming. And yes women are victims of men, have you spoken to any of them about it? Because it’s rather helpful to have those conversations.

  Your comment is just very one sided and that’s the side that has the most power on the planet and as a member of that side I have just as much perspective of you and I’m here to say – nah to most of what you said.

  Men’s #1 issue is lack of empathy towards women, they isolate half the planet from supporting them. There’s your solution.

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  • a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Men’s inability to open up is a trained behavior, and is reinforced the most by the group doing the most child care: women. Everytime a boy that cries gets told to “man up” that stereotype is repeated to them. This produces an echo that reverbs through most of society, and especially children, who then mock peers that express emotions.

    Women are training their own oppressors. There is enough blame around for all genders.

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    • Doom@ttrpg.network ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      No that’s ridiculous and hilarious to say. I’d agree there is enough to blame everyone but you’re not, you’re blaming women.

      I’ve never been told to man up by a woman, only men. Ridiculous to say that.

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      • a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Is it really that ridiculous? Biologically seen, men’s properties are mostly due to genetic selection by women over thousands of years, if they are conscious about it or not. Men that are more attractive to women are preferred partners, and the selection pressure is mostly on men, since women have a much higher biological cost in pregnancy. That is pretty proven science, and this pressure is also found in culture: men have the attributes that women want them to have to give them an advantage.

        It would only take 2-3 generations of women AND men doing child care to fix those issues by reinforcing openness and acceptance, but that takes education, esp in the human sciences, and education for the masses in the US has been dismantled long ago even before the current razing.

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  • TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Your comment is just very one sided and that’s the side that has the most power on the planet and as a member of that side I have just as much perspective of you and I’m here to say – nah to most of what you said.

    The only ‘side’ that has power is the wealthy. But keep banging your gender war drum, it probably gives you meaning and purpose in life.

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    • Doom@ttrpg.network ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      This is why you sucked in therapy and found it unhelpful. You’re pissy, jaded and uncomfortable with the concept of being wrong. Classic men shit.

      Empathy would fix that, show that you don’t have to be so insecure because nobody else is that secure.

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      • Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I thought it wasn’t gender specific? This is very sexist of you. wags finger

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    • BeNotAfraid@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The only ‘side’ that has power is the wealthy.

      Pivot to wealth inequality because?

      But keep banging your gender war drum, it probably gives you meaning and purpose in life to collectively blame 'me’n for all the worlds ills as if anyone who has a penis or wants a penis is entirely the same.

      You are the one who made the issue about differences in sex and/or gender.

      No wonder you made no progress in therapy. You’re completely obtuse.

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      • TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        i pivot to wealth inequality because the wealthy have all the resources and the rest of us don’t have enough.

        that includes access to medical care and mental care.

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• BeNotAfraid@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  But keep screaming that anything that disagrees with your particular narrative that women are great and perpetual victims of men and men are always bad, I guess?

  Incel talk

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  • VintageGenious@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    read the whole comment

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    • BeNotAfraid@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I did, but your main assertion that therapists are women, women don’t understand the male perspective therefore mental healthcare for men, (like talk therapy and counseling) are ineffective. Is not just completely wrong, you start talking about how gendered biases effect the outcome. Ignoring that psychology is an incredibly complex, extremely well-documented and highly regarded field of study, That’s like saying you wouldn’t trust a female virtuoso guitarist to perform ‘Master of Puppets’ because her female perspective would bias her against playing a solo written by a man. I am a man, I have had some success in therapy and counseling. I need more work, I’ll admit. But, all of the best practitioners I have worked with have been women. If you go to counseling, with a social worker, or a master’s student in psychology, yeah that can be a bit dodgy. But the idea that a registered psychotherapist, a doctor, would not be able to provide effective treatment because women can’t understand men is absolutely petulent. It is a myth pervaded, by a lot of influential male voices online. It misunderstands the whole purpose of talk therapy and they mis-characterise it as “giving advice” and “putting biases in your head.” When they are literally just there to help you confront and come to terms with things that are affecting your ability to live. This stupid argument is always propped up by the same idea of women not being able to understand the male perspective. When really, the disparity between the sexes in terms of reported mental health issues, is actually because people make arguments like yours. They say “all therapists are women and women don’t understand the male perspective” and “women report higher levels of depression and anxiety, therefore mood disorders are women’s issues.” When, in fact, it is men that dominate the field of psychotherapy, psychology and psychiatry. It is also us men that are killing themselves in record numbers, it is us that drive cars into street markets, it is us that shoot into crowds of people and then turn the gun on ourselves and it is boys that go online and see men like you. Making these harmful, disingenuous, ignorant arguments that makes them believe that their mental health is unimportant and that any pain, or issue they are having difficulty with is their problem and a flaw in themselves.

      I have read your comment, I have read all of your comments in this thread and your rhetoric is not just wholly emblematic of someone who has never done any meaningful work in therapy, it is dangerous and invalidating to kids who don’t have the experience and don’t know any better. That’s why you expand your argument, from therapists to the entire field, because then it goes from sexist nonsense, to a broader discussion on the existence of human bias. Personally, I wouldn’t trust someone, who has never so much as opened a textbook on abnormal psychology, to be a great judge of the existence of gendered biases in contemporary psychological care. I swear, if more men could be brave enough to admit that we endure psychological strain and experience issues through that strain that manifest in ways that effect our lives, we wouldn’t have Trump. Roe V Wade would be codified. So many of today’s problems exist because of the stigma round men seeking help with their mental health. So, yes I recognise your arguments and your perspectives and they are prejudiced, unhelpful and dangerous. When young men going through crises see this stuff and haven’t developed a sense of identity yet, they adopt this. Because this is what they think they’re supposed to believe, because boys look to contemporary male ideas and figures to emulate perceived masculinity. That’s how you get idiots on the Internet trying to discredit what is arguably the single most needed field of medicine in the world right now. That’s how you normalise male loneliness and hopelessness that the situation can improve, you make young men feel like no one can understand them, or help them understand themselves and that is how you get radicalisation, incels and domestic terrorists. So, maybe just stop with the whole "injustice over the feeling of being a man whose feelings are not understood and actually go to therapy. It might help you empathise with other people’s perspectives, perhaps you could analyse why you have these uninformed beliefs about this field of healthcare you seem so impassioned about discrediting and maybe even help you understand why it feels like no one gets you and the effect your words have on the well-being of impressionable members of our sex and what that means for men, as a whole and our feelings about our place in society? It would help all of us.

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      • whostosay@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Godamn son, didn’t have to nuke him

        Well put, though.

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