It’s because we are in the worst timeline. Evil has won in this para-dimension.
jeena@piefed.jeena.net 1 day ago
So do I understand correctly that on this globe you can only be against genocide of the Palestinians if you live in an authoritarian country like China, Iran, Russia, etc.?
Obviously in those countries you can't be against their own genocides like the Uhigers, Ukrainians, etc. But somehow when it comes to Israel the rest of the world seems to not dare being against genocide?
Is is because the US is so powerful that they fear reprecusions? Or why is that?
Onyxonblack@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
DoubleSpace@lemm.ee 1 day ago
Fair.
I’m hopeful that it can’t get exponentially worse forever.
Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 1 day ago
It can. We’re living in what our children will call the “good old days” right now.
Survival alone will be brutal next decade. Millions upon millions of climate/war refugees vs the thousands of today.
whostosay@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
Survive for fucking what. What could possibly be on the other side?
Onyxonblack@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
The bright-side is that we are still mortal creatures. Our individual suffering gets to thankfully end when we die. Death is the release from this hell. I take comfort in the fact that someday soon I will be gone from this nightmare.
BitchPeas@lemmy.world 1 day ago
We hope. No one knows.
CatherineLily@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
Uhigers
The Uyghur “genocide” is debatable. As far as I know, internment camps exist but there’s no widespread executions like those claimed by western media. It’s not like the Palestinian genocide where there’s documented proof.
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 1 day ago
Genocide doesnt require direct killing. Forced sterilization and destruction of cultural identity is also genocide.
From Wikipedia:
“the destruction of a nation or of an ethnic group” by means such as “the disintegration of [its] political and social institutions, of [its] culture, language, national feelings, religion, and [its] economic existence”.
CatherineLily@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
Is your proof from Adrian Zenz? Hasn’t it been proven that he manipulated the data on his research and lied repeatedly?
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 1 day ago
To deny that is to deny your own ability to see, read and think.
So you admit to not being able to do any of those three?
jeena@piefed.jeena.net 1 day ago
What do you mean by prove? This person just copy and pasted the definition.
morphballganon@mtgzone.com 1 day ago
If one of them tries to walk out, do they just let them?
justlemmyin@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Watched an interesting take from one of the Chinese politician or whatever they are called there. He was blaming the US imperial forces causing turmoil in Afghanistan which leaked into the Chinese side and fumed some of the locals now wanting to split from China and wanting their own nation. Dude said their leader is an american citizen. So I guess china has been detaining those people? Who knows.
CatherineLily@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
That seems to be the official take according to the CCP, the internment camps are used to re-educate extremists.
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
My biggest issue is Americans. Half of Americans support genocide, the other half want to moralize and lead the charge against it, which just comes off as hypocrisy considering i didn’t even get so much as an apology for all the bombings and invasions my country took by Americans. Now Americans are moralizing to my brown indigenous ass about colonialism and genocide and acting like once again Americans should lead this movement, which only cheapens it. Americans need to get in the back of the line and shut the fuck up. Support but leave your moralizing at home, and “I wasn’t personally the one who bombed you” is not an excuse for Israelis so it’s not one for Americans either. You guys fucked half the world and now you wanna move on and leave it in the past so you don’t have to take collective responsibility
TheFriar@lemm.ee 17 hours ago
I mean, I def get what you’re saying. I do. But do you really have anti-genocide Americans saying something about “Americans should lead this movement?” Because that’s an insane take I can’t imagine you’ve really run into in the wild.
The US is the worst perpetrator of colonialist violence, no doubt.
“I wasn’t personally the one who bombed you” is not an excuse for Israelis so it’s not one for Americans either. You guys fucked half the world and now you want to move on and leave it in the past so you don’t have to take collective responsibility.
What if I flipped this and said this is the exact rationale Israel is using against the population of Palestine? The population who’s been too young to have anything to do with anything Hamas has done, but they’re getting punished for it?
My point isn’t that the US has no blame. I don’t think you can actually find a US leftist who believes that. And if any US leftist is throwing blame all over the world without recognizing the history of the US? I mean, they’re beyond stupid.
My point is…why subdivide us further? The left is being repressed all over the world while fascism takes root once again. And your biggest gripe is…people who were born into a place? We should not be finding ways to take the high road over each other. Because there is a global rise of fascism while an active genocide takes place. And you’re here—if I can borrow a phrase—moralizing. To a T. You are claiming your biggest problem is with other people who agree with you, but who aren’t as pure of heart as you? You’re the real anti genocide crusader because ____?
Why. Why are we constantly using our morals and ideologies as cudgels against other people who would agree with us if we weren’t actively trying to find differences between us? We, the global working class should not be doing the work of the ruling class. And finding reasons to hate and belittle other working class people for generalized reasons beyond their control is very much doing the work for them.
So please stop. We have the most powerful tool of communication and global community at our fingertips and we’re using it to further divisions among the working class. When we could so easily harness it and mobilize a general strike that would cripple the ruling class in a matter of days. But this kind of moralizing you’re doing that is so common online (because corporations made social media and gave us an avenue to wear our ideas like patches, crippling three entire generations because we can’t see past that way of thinking) is the only thing stopping us.
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
The left and the American left is a whole different animal. The European and Canadian left is reasonable. The American left this past election went insane and has no business telling anyone what to do. I have never had racism and bigotry thrown at me by the left until this past year. The American left has become the world police and instead of fixing the dumpster fire in their country instead want to fix everyone else
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
The American left this past election went insane
Oh Jesus, yes.
Sending Obama to black communities to call impoverished young men misogynistic and sending Bill Clinton up north to lecture angry Palestinian Americans was astonishing in the most tone-deaf and infuriating way.
Bongles@lemmy.zip 10 hours ago
and “I wasn’t personally the one who bombed you” is not an excuse for Israelis so it’s not one for Americans either.
It absolutely is, for both.
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
You don’t get to reap the rewards of colonialism and war while dodging all the responsibilities
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
And 99% of us vote for it every two years, because both ruling parties are warmongers.
But what gets me the most is that half of voters’ opinions on war change depending on who’s in power. The folks who are so anti-war right now would fully support it if Harris were in office, and that changing of opinions based on political convenience and nothing else just infuriates me. They still defend Obama’s bloodied hands even though he was bombing seven different countries while in office. (That we know of)
hitmyspot@aussie.zone 23 hours ago
I’m many countries, yes, in many ots controversial. In others the political class is against the genocide, including Western countries.
jeena@piefed.jeena.net 22 hours ago
Other than Spain and Ireland, which ones?
hitmyspot@aussie.zone 22 hours ago
Brazil, Colombia, league of Arab counties, Norway, Sweden. Even Germany and France have expressed concern. The EU as whole is flagging that free trade agreements may be annulled due to war crimes.
jeena@piefed.jeena.net 21 hours ago
Didn't Germany just veto the suspension? https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2025-06-23/germany-against-suspending-eu-deal-with-israel-official-says
destructdisc@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
league of Arab counties
Which Arab countries? Every single one has been quiet, and some have been actively aiding the genocide.
Even Germany and France have expressed concern
To what end? Germany’s been militant in its support, and France shrank away from actively censuring the genocidaires every chance they got.
The EU as whole is flagging that free trade agreements may be annulled due to war crimes.
They’ve been doing that dance for over a year. What has come of it?
ProfThadBach@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
You are overlooking Ireland. They support the Palestinians.