Comment on Plex has paywalled my server!

AtariDump@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

• tabular@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  2. Open source has high immunity to devs making changes at the expense of user for their benefit because anti-feature can be removed. Recommendating another proprietary alternative here would be like recommending to leave an abusive partner but then recommend someone with the same red flags they had.

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  • mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    2. It’s also the most complex to set up, and for many people the threshold is “walking your tech-illiterate mother-in-law through side loading it over the phone, because she lives 100 miles away… She’s afraid to touch her computer for anything except email and Facebook. And then resetting her password every 30 days, because she keeps locking herself out of it.” Suddenly the “just fucking sign into Plex and it automatically discovers your server” option becomes a lot more appealing.

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    • AtariDump@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Jellyfin is the most complex to set up, right? (Just making sure I’m reading this correctly)

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      • mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        To set it up “correctly”, yes. It’ll require owning your own domain, being able to configure it properly, knowing how to automate https certificate refreshes, and a few other things. Plex just requires forwarding a port in your router.

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    • loutr@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      My tech-illiterate mom uses my Jellyfin instance with no issues. I sent her a link to the app store, her credentials, my server’s hostname and that was it. And once it’s set up, Jellyfin is much more straightforward to use than Plex.

      Sure Jellyfin has issues and doesn’t support as many types of devices, but Plex is far from perfect. I use it like twice a year, and the UI gets more and more confusing with each update IMO.

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      • mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Jellyfin doesn’t have an app on every App Store. On some, you have to sideload it, by enabling developer mode and connecting to a PC that is running an App Store server. Then the TV downloads it from the PC.

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    • tabular@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      To continue the metaphor: a partner can have many alluring qualities (income, hobbies, looks) but what does that matter if the relationship is abusive. Leaving (and dating someone “worse”) can be more difficult that just staying in the relationship, but the priority should be clear.

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  • AtariDump@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Welcome to “People rushing to suggest a solution that they fawn over because it’s open source.”

    How do you personally 100% beyond a shadow of a doubt know that Jellyfin is the right solution? Why not a VPN, shared folder, and VLC? What about running a DNLA server?

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    • tabular@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      You mean a morally “right” solution? 😇

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    • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Jellyfin has a DLNA plugin

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  • GreenKnight23@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    self love isn’t always an option

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    • Zanathos@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Thank you Internet stranger for reminding me of this sketch.

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      • tabular@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        What’s it from?

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    • tabular@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      A picture of the character Toad from the platform game series Super Mario. The image is cropped to only show Toad’s face. Toad is sweating.

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• spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  #3 - An OpenWRT router with Wireguard connecting to another router 1000 miles away will do the trick.

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  • AtariDump@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Great; how do I get my Mother to do that over the phone?

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    • spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      It’s possible. I’ve done it for a friend who can barely turn on his PC.

      The OpenWRT router was fully configured before shipping it to him and the existing router’s needed Wireguard port was opened by me using the Comcast Android app. All he had to do was connect his TV to a new wifi network. That was difficult, but he ultimately succeeded.

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      • AtariDump@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Ok, so you didn’t walk someone through it; you shipped them something preconfigured.

        That’s not going to scale as I share out my server.

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• kieron115@startrek.website ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Seriously. I hate when people assume default settings are the only option. You don’t even need a Plex account to set up Plex. It will just be less seamless and user friendly. Image

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• GreenKnight23@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  fucking a, man

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  • AtariDump@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Thanks

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    • MaggiWuerze@feddit.org ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It’s also always the Jellyfin fans that get emotional about this. Liking Plex is like a cardinal sin to them and I should be happy to migrate my entire viewership to a new solutions that requires them to install a vpn client on their device.

      Every post I see here about Plex is some variation of Gotcha! or Schadenfreude where they expect everyone to say, “oh no, guess I’ll pack it up and start fresh”

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      • AtariDump@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        2000%.

        I think I’m just going to start blocking the rabid Jellyfin fans and save myself the trouble.

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• surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  If #3 is your use case, then yeah, pony up the fees. Or learn to code I guess.

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  • AtariDump@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    So, like every other jellyfin fanboy, no real actual answer.

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    • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Why would there be an answer?

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      • AtariDump@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        How do I load and configure Tailscale on my TCL Roku TV?

        This is an answer im looking for.

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• haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  The condescension in your first point is brutal. I suggest you apologize.

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  • MaggiWuerze@feddit.org ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    And I would suggest learning how to configure your software before coming here and stirring shit. But we can’t always get what we want

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    • haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yeah sure. Because a company paywalling functions has anything to do with network configuration.

      What people like you dont understand is that there is no minimum requirement of knowledge to selfhost. It is completely braindead how often i have to tell people how a network works and now i have to explain to people why software configuration is not network configuration.

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      • MaggiWuerze@feddit.org ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        And if you can wipe the foam from your mouth for a second, you’ll notice I wrote ‘software’ not network.

        But in the end all you’re here for is a pad on the back from the Jellyfin guys for “seeing the light”. So you do you and maybe I won’t have to read more of you Plex posts, since you’re now in happy Jellyfin land

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• Psythik@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I’ll add to #2 (IDK if it’s open source, though):

  Give Stremio a try. Once you set it up (basically just add the Torrentio plug-in then whatever content catalogs you want), the workflow is much better and simpler than Plex.

  You just browse it like Netflix: see something you want to watch, then stream it immediately. You don’t even have download the content beforehand. Could not be easier.

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  • AtariDump@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Is it torrenting in the background? Because, if it is, then you need a VPN and I don’t know how to set one up on my LG TV. Would you happen to have a guide?

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    • Psythik@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      If you live in an area where you need a VPN to keep your ISP off your ass, well you’re in luck because the Torrentio plug-in is compatible with Debrid services (Real-Debrid is a good one). They’re cheaper than a VPN (less than €3/mo) and get you direct downloads which ISPs don’t care about since you’re not distributing files like you would with a torrent client. What’s nice is that they work with any torrent—not just video—so you can download wherever you want at 1gbps speeds so long as the torrent has at least one seed.

      Setup is easy. The only thing you need to do is install the Stremio app on your TV, then open it and install the Torrentio plug-in. From there you configure your preferences like preferred resolution, language, etc, enter your Debrid service credentials if you have them; after that you install additional plug-ins for the kind of content you want. I’d recommend starting off with the Streaming Catalogs (lists popular content from Netflix, Amazon, Disney HBO, etc.)and Trakt.tv plug-ins (recommends content based on your viewing habits). There’s also plug-ins for anime if that’s your thing. Once you install the plug-ins you like, the only thing left to do is pick something to watch and enjoy. :)

      You can also download the Stremio app to your phone and configure everything from there if you don’t want to fumble with doing all of this with the TV remote. I’d recommend doing it this way so that all you have to do on the TV is fire up the Stremio app and enjoy.

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      • AtariDump@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

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      • rikudou@lemmings.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        If you live in an area where you need a VPN to keep your ISP off your ass

        Uploading copyrightes material is illegal pretty much everywhere I know of.

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  • neomachino@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Is Streamio considered safe/private? I remember looking into it a while back and saw something about needing an account on their servers or something.

    I used Kodi with addons for ages but switched to jellyfin because kodi felt too clunky and slow for my wife.

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    • Psythik@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I’m not the person to ask this kind of question to. I use DNS-level tracking protection in my router (via NextDNS), but I’m not a privacy expert.

      If you’re living in a country where censorship is a thing and/or privacy is of upmost importance, then you should still use a VPN in addition to a Debrid service. Or you can nix the Debrid and just use a VPN if you don’t mind more buffering and all the downsides that come with torrents. (VPNs can be setup to run on a TV through DNS settings either on your router or TV itself, though this may not be 100% secure. Again, I’m not an expert.)

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  • Decq@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I always see people advocate fir Stremio. But my experience was always very mixed. Half the time it would just buffer all the time. I guess it’s s my own fault for having little interest in the latest Marvel/Hollywood movies, but alas. I way more prefer my jellyfin/jellyseer/arr stack. Once it’s available I’m (99%) sure it works from everywhere in the world.

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    • Psythik@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Are you using a Debrid service with it? It’s a much better experience if you are. Give Real-Debrid a try with Stremio. It’ll change your opinion.

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• smiletolerantly@awful.systems ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Actual answer for 3:

  • put jellyfin behind a proper reverse proxy. Ideally on a separate host / hardware firewall, but nginx on the same host works fine as well.
  • create subdomain, let’s say sub.yourdomain.com
  • forward traffic, for that subdomain ONLY, to jellyfin in your reverse proxy config
  • tell your relatives to put sub.yourdomain.com into their jellyfin app

  All the fear-mongering about exposing jellyfin to the internet I have seen on here boils down to either

  • "port forwarding is a bad idea!!“, which yes, don’t do that. The above is not that. Or
  • "people / bots who know your IP can get jellyfin to work as a 1-bit oracle, telling you if a specific media file exists on your disk” which is a) not an indication for something illegal, and b) prevented by the described reverse proxy setup insofar as the bot needs to know the exact subdomain (and any worthwhile domain-provider will not let bots walk your DNS zone).

  (Not saying YOU say that; just preempting the usual folklore typically commented whenever someone suggests hosting jellyfin publicly accessible)

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  • Lazarus@mastodon.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    @smiletolerantly @AtariDump
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certificate_Transparency
    Makes sure bots will hit you as soon as the certificate for your domain is issued

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    • smiletolerantly@awful.systems ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      OK, add step above: use wildcard certificate for your domain.

      Terminating the TLS connection at your perimeter firewall is standard practice, there’s no reason your jellyfin host needs to obtain the certificate.

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• HiTekRedNek@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  For #3, subnet routing.

  tailscale.com/kb/1019/subnets

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  • AtariDump@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Where do I find Wireguard for my LG TV?

    You can’t expect my relatives living 100+ miles away to start monkeying around with their router. That be like asking you to set the spark plug timing correctly using a timing gun.

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    • HiTekRedNek@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Did you even read the link? You don’t need it on every device. It’s not really that difficult to understand.

      I WAS FUCKING TRUCK DRIVER FOR FUCKS SAKE, and yet, I still managed to set up tailscale on my phone and a computer, and then access my stuff that ISNT running tailscale in any way, shape or form, from my phone, simply because I decided to figure it the fuck out.

      Stop being so damned lazy.

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      • AtariDump@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Stop being so dam lazy and do all the things you pay someone else to do.

        Mow the lawn. Fix the plumbing. Run new electrical. Neuter the cat. Clean your teeth. Do your taxes.

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