Nationalization is the opposite of privatization, it’s how the US’s bureaucratic state was really built, we should absolutely do this and right now is the time
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mechoman444@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
The precedent that will set and the implications… No… We should not do this.
turtlesareneat@discuss.online 5 weeks ago
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
No, this is just pure ignorance. The US never nationalized any sector. The US has only used nationalization as a means to stabilize certain sectors from collapse temporarily, and even this happens very rarely.
Nationalization stable, growing industries would have devastating impacts on the economy. These companies are running just fine, and they’re providing their services reliably and at competitive prices, what would be the justification to nationalize them? If the government feels like it needs more control on these companies they can pass regulations, and if they want total control then they should launch their own public alternatives.
pneumatron@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
Gotcha. So fascism it is then. How’s that working out for y’all? Lmao
Your comment doesn’t make sense. You say the US never nationalized and in the next sentence you say that they have. Remember after the 2008 collapse when the automotive industry was nationalized for a while and the government made a profit? Maybe you need to check your own ignorance.
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Gotcha. So fascism it is then. How’s that working out for y’all? Lmao
This is going to be shocking for you, but there’s more to politics than fascism and marxism
Your comment doesn’t make sense. You say the US never nationalized and in the next sentence you say that they have.
My point was that the US never nationalized any sector permanently for the sake of making it public. It also temporarily nationalized portions of some sectors to stabilize them before making them private again.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
The precedent that will set and the implications
and what precedent is there for dealing with the executive of your country’s entire space launch infrastructure when they become dependent on horse drugs?
No really, what’s the precedent here, I want to know. Because if we set a precedent by ignoring it until the problem is impossible to ignore, that’s gonna be a far more expensive fix.
So yeah, yeah we should consider this very strongly.
mechoman444@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
If the government actually nationalized SpaceX, the precedent would be insane. You’d be telling every private company working in defense, infrastructure, or tech that if they become too essential, the government might just take it. Doesn’t matter how much risk or capital they fronted.
SpaceX isn’t just launching rockets for fun—it’s practically a branch of the U.S. space program at this point. GPS, Starlink for military comms, launching classified payloads, putting astronauts in orbit. If we nationalize that over a political pissing match between Trump and Musk, we’re basically saying innovation is conditional on obedience.
And let’s be honest—once you do this to SpaceX, you open the door to doing it to AWS, Tesla’s energy grid systems, Google’s AI infrastructure. Any private company that gets too important suddenly becomes “too critical to stay private.” That’s a fast track to killing private innovation in sectors where we need it most.
If Trump’s threatening funding, and Musk is threatening to walk, and the public’s response is “just take the company,” then we’ve officially politicized the tech-industrial base. That’s not governance, that’s dysfunction.
Nationalizing SpaceX would be a Cold War move in a modern economy. It might feel good in the moment, but long-term, it’s a terrible idea.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
how can you be so casually apathetic about saddling our soldiers sailors airmen and spaceforce with the products of a horse drug addled asshole?
nytimes.com/…/elon-musk-drugs-children-trump.html
What kind of prick tells these people VOLUNTEERING TO DEFEND YOUR COUNTRY “hey man, the ketamine kid is the only way!” - how are you comfortable or confident in the products produced when he’s tripping balls in the oval office?
meh. this is a pointless argument, I’m never going to convince these elon fanboys their hero is a prick
mechoman444@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I’m sorry were you talking to me? Because nothing in your response had anything to do with what I actually said.
I never claimed to like Elon. I don’t. I never expressed support for this administration’s policies. I don’t.
My argument is about the moral, ethical, and historically dangerous precedent of nationalizing a private company.
That drug-addled sycophant stood before the most powerful political body on Earth wearing a baseball cap and a T-shirt while the Vice President of the United States told President Zelensky to put on a suit.
Unbelievable.
Where the hell do you get off making wild, baseless assumptions about things you barely understand? What exactly prevents you from engaging in civil discourse like an adult, instead of spouting off like you did in that comment?
Fine if we’re slinging assumptions now, here’s mine: You strike me as a fedora-wearing, vape-huffing, woman-hating neckbeard. Am I wrong? Don’t care. That’s the image your words paint.
pneumatron@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
Health insurance, ISP, Oil Cos, and utilities should also be nationalized. The US is a weird place where everything is a business. A shithole capitalist hellscape
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 5 weeks ago
Those are different to taking over private companies. The government should, imo, compete against private enterprise in those areas, in turn bringing prices down and making it better for the taxpayers.
NASA is government owned. Look at the state of it. Do you think the government taking over SpaceX would really be a good thing?
TronBronson@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Nice 30-year-old Fox News talking points you got there. Time to go to bed, grandpa.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 5 weeks ago
What points are you talking about exactly?
Kickforce@lemmy.wtf 5 weeks ago
You think the state of NASA isn’t caused by privately funded politicians?
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 5 weeks ago
So you think those privately funded politicians should be in charge of the state of SpaceX?
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Tankies live in alternate reality where they think that nationalization is extremely common and is a magical solution to all of societies problems… even though this view is entirely delusional.
For example, only 3 countries have nationalized the entire ISP industry, and those are Cuba, Turkmenistan, and North Korea. All three of which are horrid tyrannical dictatorships with horrible internet. We should NOT be like them. Even when it comes to health insurance, except for 3 countries I just mentioned, every single country allows private health insurance, even if their system is public. Clearly nationalization is not what you think it is.
pneumatron@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
I’m Mexican bro. Tankie your ass. You don’t have to have a shitty dictatorship to have nationalized services. Clearly you don’t know as much as you think you do.
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Most countries have public options for services and private alternatives as either competitors, backups, or complimentary pieces. It’s very rare for countries to completely nationalize sectors, and it’s especially rare for them to national that many sectors.
TronBronson@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I hate tankies, but not as much as I hate Nazis. Desperate times call for desperate measures. We’re losing 100 years of social advancement. But here you are telling us to protect the fucking corporations that are sucking them up.
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
This is a false dichotomy. We don’t have to accept either Nazis Marxists. Fuck them both, there other options out that are much better.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
LOL “We should NOT be like them.”
And then starts talking about health insurance. What health insurance?
You can only dream of being like Cuba.
But your shithole country keeps licking the boots and are good little servants of the oligarch ruling class.
And that’s great, you deserve all you get, all you do is comlain and cry about it online anyway.
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Cuba is a shithole by every definition of the word. The only people in the world who think Cuba is decent are brainless Marxists online. Even Cubans don’t agree with your delusions.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
boy howdy you’ve got the entire strawman army mustered in this thread.
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
It seems like you don’t know what that term means