all taxpayer money anyway
Yes but with very little to show for it. If the government just treated all undelivered orders as debt, it would end up deep in the red.
Comment on We Should Immediately Nationalize SpaceX and Starlink
TronBronson@lemmy.world 11 hours agoNo this the one time I’m with the commies. Nationalize that shit. Like you said it’s all taxpayer money anyway. A little bit of Wall Street speculation, but who gives a fuck about those people
ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 9 hours ago
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 5 hours ago
Reusable rockets are cool
ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 5 hours ago
Never lived up to the hype. Take almost as much effort to get ready for another flight as building another one.
Balex@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
What do you mean little to show for it?
AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 5 hours ago
this the one time I’m with the commies
Are you against universal and free healthcare, education and retirement? Are you against improving worker rights, paid holidays, sick leave, guaranteed housing and guaranteed employment? Are you against unionisation of workplaces and collective worker decisions mattering in business? Are you against heavy regulation against climate change and pollution of the environment? Are you against anti-racism, feminism, anti-fascism and the redistribution of wealth from the richest to the poorest? I’m sure you have a lot more common ground with us commies than you think
0ndead@infosec.pub 1 hour ago
*in theory
Fenrisulfir@lemmy.ca 9 hours ago
So you wanna nationalize the whole telecom industry then?
Aqarius@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Well, now that you bring it up…
Fenrisulfir@lemmy.ca 8 hours ago
I fully agree. Any industry that can’t survive on its own and needs public funds shouldn’t exist and if it’s an essential service it should be nationalized.
chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
So you want Donald Trump in charge of the telecom industry and any other industries that have received some sort of public subsidy?
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 5 hours ago
lol you really threatened Lemmy with a good time
Squirrelanna@lemmynsfw.com 6 hours ago
Yes please, maybe they’ll fix the shit they’ve been getting paid for decades to fix finally.
lagoon8622@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
Yes, absolutely. And power too
Fenrisulfir@lemmy.ca 8 hours ago
And pharma. And O&G
Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 11 hours ago
NASA was always there and they couldn’t achieve what SpaceX has while simultaneously having a lot more capital to do so. I’m sorry but if there’s any proof that private sector’s self interest is a better driver of innovation than common interest SpaceX is it. This is a terrible idea that sounds like a good idea if you do not understand how good Musk was and is at cutting costs. That’s his actual real skill in business and is well documented. Doesn’t make him less of a prick but you also cannot downplay what he has achieved with this company.
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 hours ago
The agency that landed people on the moon so long ago most of the people involved have died if old age, and the event will soon pass out of living memory?
The one where when they let a single rocket explode, one time, rocked the nation, because their record was so close to flawless?
The one that constantly gives us new sources for scientific data?
Yeah fuck them. They never made a dick rocket.
pupbiru@aussie.zone 4 hours ago
let’s not forget the agency that launched the probe that passed the edge of the solar system and is still functional and doing valuable things…… in the 70s
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 hours ago
and is still functional and doing valuable things in the 70s
Oh, wow, you might wanna sit down for this.
Senal@programming.dev 11 hours ago
You mean the NASA who landed people on the moon?
So let’s assume you aren’t a moon landing denier and use that as a baseline, NASA is clearly capable of things given the right circumstances and budget.
SpaceX benefited from his reputation and money, because they sure as shit didn’t benefit from his technical acumen.
Business wise he is successful because he’s rich and influential and that works to mitigate how shitty he is at actually running an organisation, that doesn’t mean he has skills as a business person that means he has money and influence, in his case originally from the mine, then from buying and bullying his was in to businesses that were technologically sound and boosting them with his money.
You could make an argument he’s a relatively good investor, but he’s an actively bad CEO.
Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 10 hours ago
When Musk started SpaceX he was not well known yet, SpaceX came before Tesla.
He was able to get into the businesses he has because he was rich yes, but you can find many accounts of engineers that worked under him speak of how good he was at finding ways to cut unnecessary costs.
He’s not a technical genius that’s for sure. But he has been a good CEO for SpaceX. Terrible one for Tesla though, mostly because he bought into his own myth and became a drug addict. But I refuse to simply wave away his achievements simply because I don’t like him. I can not like someone and still acknowledge they have done something good.
Senal@programming.dev 8 hours ago
They landed people on the moon and then did fuck all for decades.You mean the SpaceX that existed significantly before musk and that he bought his way in to and in addition bought the founder title.
Indeed, all i was saying is that they were capable given budget and circumstances.
That budget and direction comes from the government.
When Musk started SpaceX he was not well known yet, SpaceX came before Tesla.
I will admit, i thought spacex was just another company he bought his way in to, like tesla, seems i was mistaken about that.
He was able to get into the businesses he has because he was rich yes, but you can find many accounts of engineers that worked under him speak of how good he was at finding ways to cut unnecessary costs.
And you can equally find many accounts of having to distract him from the day to day operations because he’s unreliable , unpredictable and chaotic (none of those meant in a good way).
He’s also know for buying good press and using litigation to silence people.
He’s not a technical genius that’s for sure. But he has been a good CEO for SpaceX.
I doubt this, but that could just be bias, i don’t have any actual evidence of the long term impact of him as CEO.
Recently though, he’s provably been significantly more of a liability than a benefit, even if just from a PR and public sentiment point of view.
But I refuse to simply wave away his achievements simply because I don’t like him. I can not like someone and still acknowledge they have done something good.
Indeed, i push back on the myth that he’s some self made tony stark genius, but it isn’t like he’s not achieved anything.
I would personally attribute most of that to neptoism, wealth, luck and opportunity, but that doesn’t remove the achievement itself.
khannie@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
NASA is clearly capable of things given the right circumstances and budget.
Absolutely agree with this but there is no denying the innovation levels at spacex are higher (I’m not saying this is down to musk specifically. The man is a horror story of a human).
We were all in total awe when seeing booster stages land themselves successfully for the first time. It was such a giant leap forward and to the best of my knowledge no government funded space agency was even considering it before spacex.
tyler@programming.dev 1 hour ago
SpaceX has an internal team that works to make sure Musk can’t interfere with anything, because he’s so bad at managing businesses. Gwynne Shotwell is the one in charge of SpaceX.
stjobe@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Perhaps look into the DC-X program, fully 20 years before SpaceX Falcon: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_DC-X
Senal@programming.dev 7 hours ago
Absolutely agree with this but there is no denying the innovation levels at spacex are higher
Undeniably, they’ve been doing amazing work (at least from my rocketry technology peasant point of view).
OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 10 hours ago
it’ll be sold to the highest bidder is my bet
I would find it funny that billionaires would pass off the opportunity of taking musk’s position on a discount
Blackmist@feddit.uk 11 hours ago
I’ll settle for whichever one annoys him the most.
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 10 hours ago
Good point.