This is the thing, NASA is underfunded as it is, if we nationalized SpaceX, we wouldn’t actually continue to fund it appropriately and it would simply die. It would be an awful shame for the space industry and for humanity’s future in space.
I hate musk as much as the next guy, but I think the success of spaceX is undeniable. Their success with reusable rockets is not just impressive, it’s ground breaking and important. Developing a fully reusable rocket is probably the most important challenge humans are working on in this era, and I only know of three companies attempting to do it.
TronBronson@lemmy.world 2 months ago
No this the one time I’m with the commies. Nationalize that shit. Like you said it’s all taxpayer money anyway. A little bit of Wall Street speculation, but who gives a fuck about those people
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 2 months ago
Good point.
ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 2 months ago
Yes but with very little to show for it. If the government just treated all undelivered orders as debt, it would end up deep in the red.
Balex@lemmy.world 2 months ago
What do you mean little to show for it?
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Reusable rockets are cool
ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 2 months ago
Never lived up to the hype. Take almost as much effort to get ready for another flight as building another one.
Fenrisulfir@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
So you wanna nationalize the whole telecom industry then?
Aqarius@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Well, now that you bring it up…
Fenrisulfir@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
I fully agree. Any industry that can’t survive on its own and needs public funds shouldn’t exist and if it’s an essential service it should be nationalized.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
lol you really threatened Lemmy with a good time
Squirrelanna@lemmynsfw.com 2 months ago
Yes please, maybe they’ll fix the shit they’ve been getting paid for decades to fix finally.
lagoon8622@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Yes, absolutely. And power too
Fenrisulfir@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
And pharma. And O&G
Chulk@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Don’t threaten me with a good time!
Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
NASA was always there and they couldn’t achieve what SpaceX has while simultaneously having a lot more capital to do so. I’m sorry but if there’s any proof that private sector’s self interest is a better driver of innovation than common interest SpaceX is it. This is a terrible idea that sounds like a good idea if you do not understand how good Musk was and is at cutting costs. That’s his actual real skill in business and is well documented. Doesn’t make him less of a prick but you also cannot downplay what he has achieved with this company.
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
The agency that landed people on the moon so long ago most of the people involved have died if old age, and the event will soon pass out of living memory?
The one where when they let a single rocket explode, one time, rocked the nation, because their record was so close to flawless?
The one that constantly gives us new sources for scientific data?
Yeah fuck them. They never made a dick rocket.
pupbiru@aussie.zone 2 months ago
let’s not forget the agency that launched the probe that passed the edge of the solar system and is still functional and doing valuable things…… in the 70s
cole@lemdro.id 2 months ago
I’m sorry… dick rocket? Your issue with SpaceX is that the rockets are… rocket shaped?
Like everything else notwithstanding, physics dictates the shapes of these things. That is why they all look rather… dick-ish
Senal@programming.dev 2 months ago
You mean the NASA who landed people on the moon?
So let’s assume you aren’t a moon landing denier and use that as a baseline, NASA is clearly capable of things given the right circumstances and budget.
SpaceX benefited from his reputation and money, because they sure as shit didn’t benefit from his technical acumen.
Business wise he is successful because he’s rich and influential and that works to mitigate how shitty he is at actually running an organisation, that doesn’t mean he has skills as a business person that means he has money and influence, in his case originally from the mine, then from buying and bullying his was in to businesses that were technologically sound and boosting them with his money.
You could make an argument he’s a relatively good investor, but he’s an actively bad CEO.
Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
When Musk started SpaceX he was not well known yet, SpaceX came before Tesla.
He was able to get into the businesses he has because he was rich yes, but you can find many accounts of engineers that worked under him speak of how good he was at finding ways to cut unnecessary costs.
He’s not a technical genius that’s for sure. But he has been a good CEO for SpaceX. Terrible one for Tesla though, mostly because he bought into his own myth and became a drug addict. But I refuse to simply wave away his achievements simply because I don’t like him. I can not like someone and still acknowledge they have done something good.
khannie@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Absolutely agree with this but there is no denying the innovation levels at spacex are higher (I’m not saying this is down to musk specifically. The man is a horror story of a human).
We were all in total awe when seeing booster stages land themselves successfully for the first time. It was such a giant leap forward and to the best of my knowledge no government funded space agency was even considering it before spacex.
AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 2 months ago
Are you against universal and free healthcare, education and retirement? Are you against improving worker rights, paid holidays, sick leave, guaranteed housing and guaranteed employment? Are you against unionisation of workplaces and collective worker decisions mattering in business? Are you against heavy regulation against climate change and pollution of the environment? Are you against anti-racism, feminism, anti-fascism and the redistribution of wealth from the richest to the poorest? I’m sure you have a lot more common ground with us commies than you think
TronBronson@lemmy.world 1 month ago
No I’m also with the commies on single payer health care and super high tax brackets for the rich. I do hate me a fascism, infact I hate all authoritarians.
I’m clearly for the workers rights we have fought for and established in this country. And while I can acknowledge the communist impact in these achievements, I would not go ahead and give you guys full credit nor say that these are policies that are specific to you. Most of this stuff is just center/left social welfare and human rights. Commies are the ones that like to do purity tests and isolate anyone that doesn’t agree with 100% of your policy points.
Pretty big jumps from liberal to leftist to self proclaimed communist ideas on how these ideas and policies look, so yes we agree on general principles and concepts. But we certainly don’t agree on how to bring them about.
Also, every single self-proclaimed communist is on the suspect list because you guys did a lot of campaigning against Joe Biden to help Donald Trump get elected so I’m just saying I don’t really fuck with you guys anymore. That’s my new purity test. Did you support Joe Biden and Kamala during the most important election in American history?
AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 1 month ago
I’m a communist and I believe in the expropriation of their capital to eliminate super-richness, not in their taxation.
Your country (the US judging by the comment) has miserable worker rights, as a western-European. Worker rights are bad here, but the US takes the cake.
I’m not so sure. The legal abolition of homelessness and unemployment is far from being a centre/left welfare measure, as evidenced by the fact that the only countries that have achieved this are communist ones such as Cuba or the Soviet Union.
We don’t agree on how to bring them about because the liberal method of bringing them about is ineffective. Worker rights and welfare are systematically being eroded in essentially all liberal democracies for the past 3-4 decades,
0ndead@infosec.pub 2 months ago
*in theory
AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 2 months ago
All of those things I mentioned are/were a material reality in socialist countries such as Cuba or the Soviet Union
irmoz@lemmy.world 2 months ago
What do you mean by that?
OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 2 months ago
it’ll be sold to the highest bidder is my bet
I would find it funny that billionaires would pass off the opportunity of taking musk’s position on a discount
Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 months ago
I’ll settle for whichever one annoys him the most.