belastend@slrpnk.net 5 days ago
You don’t shoot two mags into someone out of self defense and you don’t stab someone 14 times out of self defense. But hey, it’s not like she had committed knife crimes 5 times before that.
She cut in line, he yelled slurs, she spat, he punched and then stabbed him to death. And then proceeded to tell people she would do it again and was glad he died. Yeah, you’re kind of a shitty person for this.
Punch the guy, stun gun the guy, pepper spray the guy, you have my blessing and support. You don’t fucking kill someone.
The entire media campaign surrounding this is also despicable: For one group, she is the living embodiment of the ebul trans people, who are all just men in disguise trying to molest kids, for another group she is a brave, yet innocent bean who should be totally acquitted. Both groups are morons.
IMHO, she should serve a long ass sentence.
don’t shoot two mags into someone out of self defense and you don’t stab someone 14 times out of self defense.
I work in a trauma ward. It’s not unusual to see people get stabbed dozens of times, whether it’s self defense or not. People who get stabbed don’t get dropped like a gun shot wound victim, they bleed out.
So more often or not if there’s a confrontation with a knife people will keep stabbing until the person stops being a threat, which can take a while.
Yeah it’s not like the movies, people don’t just fall over when they’re grazed by a blade or pistol-caliber bullet. If all I had was a knife to defend myself against an attacker I would choose “keep stabbing until they stop moving” even if that looks worse to juries. Better than being shot in the back trying to run.
Technically you aren’t allowed to stab until they stop moving, just until they are no longer a threat. Stab em in the leg and run. Self defence isn’t a license to kill it’s a way to not go to jail if killing was literally the option available.
Yeah she did a dick move then escalated into murder with 0 remorse. Life without parole.
Wait it’s self defense though.
What people are trying to say, and that is clearly going way over your head, is that this was NOT self defense.
No need to be a dick. I get that you’re frustrated, and that’s okay. Being a dick, though, that’s on you.
But my point of being factitious is to point out the dishonesty or heavy bias in framing it as murder, when the discussion really is all about whether or not it was self defense.
People are loudly saying how punishment should be, or taking things out of context or loading the presentation emotionally with other circumstances. All of which are intellectually dishonest. Everyone’s welcome to their opinions, but we all need to try to focus more on constructive discussion, rather than infighting over a news story because nobody can stay on the actual topic, resulting in everybody being frustrated and arguing about different things.
The subject is, “self defense or not?”
Obviously, you and I differ on our opinions, but we have also neither gone over all the evidence nor even discussed what evidence or suspicions we have. So saying your equally uniformed opinion is going over my head is not just rude and self centered, but it’s also… Potentially just wrong.
So in the theme of olive branches and keeping it mature and civil:
I say it could have been self defense because she was being beaten by a guy bigger than her who was throwing out hate speech.
You say it was not self defense because…?
Yeah but this just makes her a shitty human, there was no need to mention they were trans.
Think about all the scared transphobes less likely to harass transgenders. She probably prevented numerous trans people from being assaulted and prevented some trans kids from committing suicide due to a reduxtion in bullying. She’s a hero. IMHO, she should get a medal.
If only transgender people killed everyone they interacted with, there wouldn’t be any transphobia /s
Grow up. She’s a murderer and deserves to rot in jail.
Think about all the transphobes who will now see trans people as violent and callous. If this has any effect, it’ll increase the likelihood of violent attacks.
Which in increase the likelihood of more sensationalist “news”…
Which will up the rate of self defense.
Next time they wont spit, they’ll escalate further ti avoid retaliation
Damn. I gotta up my self defense game then. She’s a paragon.
Holy shit she emptied two mags into him and then stabbed him 14 times and then claimed self defense? That’s actually insane.
No. She just stabbed him. I said that as an example.
To be fair: once self-defense “kicks in” (in any case, not just this one), one should empty two mags if it is what it takes to make the threat stop. or feel like it stopped.
That’s the thing about self defense, you don’t get to decide how much is too much, if you are on the receiving end. All you get to do is NOT make it something your victim decides to implement.
Imma be honest: if you reload after dumping the first mag into someone, it’s getting into manslaughter territory.
Self defense is also (at least in Germany, don’t know how it’s handled in the Land of the Castle Doctrine) about a measured response. Using a weapon after feeling your life is in danger: A-okay. Bashing someone’s skull in repeatedly after they stopped being a threat: not so okay. The police shooting an attacker three times in the chest: A-okay. Dumping two mags into someone: definitely not okay.
yeah most states have a “stopped being a threat” point; I posit it is probably common to see someone not used to fighting to not know when the threat really stops in addition to the adrenaline thing.
And in this case the murderer was much larger than the person striking her. This wasn’t a fight between a large man and a dainty transwoman. The murderer is 7+ inches taller than the average adult American AMAB.
There never was the need for a knife at all
this case for sure. but thats the point about initiation of “self defense.” you lose the choice after you make it go that far. tip: don’t fight.
In this case the transwoman was the instigator of the fight and was 100% in the wrong at every step.
Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 5 days ago
Yeah the fact that she is transgender has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that she murdered someone, the only reason the press is including that fact is to stir up drama, hate, and ad revenue. It’s pretty despicable, but I have come to expect nothing more from the press. There is no such thing as an honourable news reporter these days, just gossip columnists.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 5 days ago
My read on it is that they’re intentionally cross wiring it to blur the issue and attach a negative colloquialism to trans people. This is part of how a group becomes considered untermensch by our illustriously imbecilic regime. If I was trans I would gtfo the country now, no joke. This is some goebbels-type shit, so you know it’s probably Steven Miller’s idea, that fucking psychotic dweeb
KeenFlame@feddit.nu 4 days ago
Aha. “cross wiring”. It’s not sexism or racism or a bigoted hate crime, it’s just “cross wiring”
Krauerking@lemy.lol 4 days ago
Cross wiring, as in to, use preexisting hatred or fear of a subclass to apply it to another one. Such as fear of mentally I’ll murderers into fear of trans or hatred of pedophiles to attach it to multiple groups in the past years. It helps people to justify what should be immediately recognizable as sexism or racism or bigotry.
That feels easy reading comprehension and you are in a desire to be angry to avoid the obvious conotation to yell that people are not using words you like. Its not productive to you or others or conversation
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 days ago
It was self defense though.
Revan343@lemmy.ca 5 days ago
You don’t get to claim self-defense in an altercation you started and escalated. Or I guess you can try, but you’re gonna have a bad time
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 days ago
Actually, I think you do. It doesn’t matter who started it, if you’re afraid for your life, I think you have the right to defend your life.