Noting that communists weren’t better than Nazis got me called an ungrateful shit for existing
Calling communists as bad as a Nazis is a form of genocide denial. You deserved your ban and you should learn more about history before you comment on it.
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person1@lemm.ee 5 months agoHmm glad I found this post and the comments. I recently came here from Reddit and joined some random communities just to have something in my feed. I was a bit shocked at hammer and sickle posted non-ironically in the meme group. Noting that communists weren’t better than Nazis got me called an ungrateful shit for existing (which I apparently owe to Stalin) and banned. Moved to the second-biggest meme community the search found, where I’m not banned yet but being educated by Westerners that life in communist coutries was cheerful and Holodomor was an oopsie.
I’m glad to hear that this is not all that Lemmy stands for, but a bit disappointed learning that top developers are a part of the problem. I’m conflicted about donating to say the least, and it does not bode well for lemmy adoption in general. I’ll stick around to see if other servers gain momentum, but I’ll need to keep an eye open for other reddit alternatives I guess
Carl@hexbear.net 5 months ago
illi@lemm.ee 5 months ago
Afaik Stalin is resoposible for more deaths than Hitler. Hitler had concentration camps, Stalin had gulags. Neither was much better than the other.
AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 5 months ago
Gulag is the russian word for prison. It’s just really easy to make foreign words scary to racists.
Afaik Stalin is resoposible for more deaths than Hitler.
The literal uniform wearing german nazis that convinced you of this counted unborn children due to declining birthrates.
Edie@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
Gulag is the russian word for prison
According to wikipedia, no, it comes from the abbreviation of “Main Directorate of Correctional Labour Camps”, in Russian: Гла́вное Управле́ние исправи́тельно-трудовы́х ЛАГере́й (ГУЛАГ).
If you would consult the chart:
“system of places for deprivation of liberty”
You will find “Correctional Labor Camp” under the O.G.P.U (as wikipedia also says). Of course, libs can’t tell the difference between CLC under the O.G.P.U and Colonies under the PC of Justice and will call both gulag.
sudneo@lemm.ee 5 months ago
Prison = тюрьма
Not a (Russian) native speaker, but still.
passenger@lemm.ee 5 months ago
Just wow at this whataboutism, defending Stalin of all people.
Gulag is the Russian word for prison, where people die or get sent to the grinder.
There was this opposing candidate to Putin, where did he end up? Gulag.
Until Russia gets humane treatment for prisoners, the word gulag deserves the negative connotations it has.
Ever heard of Holodomor?
illi@lemm.ee 5 months ago
Gulag is the russian word for prison. It’s just really easy to make foreign words scary to racists.
While I’m not Russian, accusing a Slav of being racist against Slavs sure is hillarious.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
The Nazis industrialized mass murder, and deliberately killed millions in the Holocaust. The Soviet prison system was in no way comparable to the Nazi concentration camps designed to murder and kill, this is Holocaust trivialization. Communism and fascism are entirely different, and conflating the two has roots in Double Genocide Theory, a form of Holocaust trivialization and Nazi Apologia. The Nazis industrialized murder and attempted to colonize the world, the Soviets uplifted the Proletariat and supported national liberation movements such as in Cuba, China, Algeria, and Palestine. I recommend reading Blackshirts and Reds.
illi@lemm.ee 5 months ago
I didn’t quite intend to put gulags and concentration camps on the same level. But there are some similarities, like being used to disappear political or ideological oponents.
Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 5 months ago
Afaik
Afaik: written abbreviation for as far as I know: used when you believe that something is true, but you are not completely certain. Internet, email and texting conventions. a/s/l.
See the thing is, you don’t know shit
Alaskaball@hexbear.net 5 months ago
a bunch of off-topic yakking related to your comment but detracts from the overall post.
1, how the West treats the word gulag - as seen by your application equivocating them to nazi death camps - is not reflective of reality of it being applied as a catch-all term for prisons. 2, the highest deaths that occured in the Soviet penal system occured during ww2 with source of deaths primarily stemming from nazi POWs 3, the commonly cited numbers of deaths that occured in the Soviet penal system comes from an openly flawed and biased methodology chosen exclusively to fabricate a false reality that equivocates nazi fascism with Soviet communism, which was further boosted by the CIA during the cold war to smear their ideological opposition’s image. The real numbers have been revealed with the opening of the Soviet archives after the fall of the Soviet Union, allowing actual historians to access primary sources to clear up the cold war era historical revisionism that obscured our understanding of the truth for the past 80 years. 4, this is not to say the system ran in that era is flawless. It in fact had blemishes and flaws that stemmed from the monstrously brutal tsarist regimn that the Soviets overthrew. That said even at its worst during the second world War its own brutality is dwarfed by the American penal system from back then to this very moment. Here’s an article that discusses “double genocide theory”, which dissects the fact that equivocating the worst excesses that occured under the Soviet Union as being anything remotely near the monstrous crimes against humanity perpetrated by the German Nazi regimn is to commit and engage in Holocaust denialism jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory Here’s an excerpt from a book that lightly delves into the numbers, but there’s plenty of other information floating around as well. hexbear.net/post/136521?scrollToComments=false
illi@lemm.ee 5 months ago
the fact that equivocating the worst excesses that occured under the Soviet Union as being anything remotely near the monstrous crimes against humanity perpetrated by the German Nazi regimn is to commit and engage in Holocaust denialism
Now let’s be clear. I was talking death counts. And I do believe that the Nazis were worse. I saw Auschwitz and Birkenau camps and those are sights that I will never forget. I get chills just remembering it. So please do be cautions who you call holocaust denier.
But we are still comparing two evils here. One is greater, one is lesser. But “lesser” evil doesn’t necessarily mean the evil was small.
4n41y4no5@crazypeople.online 5 months ago
Congo had giant work camps.
Pretty much every ideology have commited awful shit. Nazism is the only ideology where genocide is the end goal of the state.
illi@lemm.ee 5 months ago
Yes, I’m aware nazis and communists were not the only ones doing terrible stuff. That doesn’t make it right
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
Communism and fascism are entirely different, and conflating the two has roots in Double Genocide Theory, a form of Holocaust trivialization and Nazi Apologia. The Nazis industrialized murder and attempted to colonize the world, the Soviets uplifted the Proletariat and supported national liberation movements such as in Cuba, China, Algeria, and Palestine. I recommend reading Blackshirts and Reds.
hakase@lemm.ee 5 months ago
Person1, since you’re new here, this is Cowbee, our resident tankie apologist/propagandist.
The most reasonable-sounding genocide denier and authoritarian regime supporter this side of the gulags. I highly recommend their alt’s comments on Hexbear if you’re interested in their more “mask off” persona.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
Quite an introduction, and quite a lot of slander. I’m a Communist, Marxist, Marxist-Leninist, etc, regardless of how you want to call me. I’m certainly not a genocide denier, and I’d say all governments are “authoritarian,” what matters is which class is exerting its authority. My goal is in fact to dispel myths surrounding Marxism, Marxism-Leninism, Communism, etc.
If they check my Hexbear account, they’ll see more conversation surrounding gaming and casual conversation, haha.
dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 5 months ago
You’re not a communist, you’re a state capitalist.
AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 5 months ago
Read this person’s profile and you will find that they are an absolute unhinged psycho who trolls threads like these AND HAS BEEN AT IT FOR LITERAL YEARS hexbear.net/comment/4466837
4n41y4no5@crazypeople.online 5 months ago
Talking third person about someone is very rude.
hakase@lemm.ee 5 months ago
To quote a popular hexbear aphorism present in this very thread, “‘Omg rude online’ like there’s no worse sin”.
dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 5 months ago
Nobody wants to argue with Cowbee
Alaskaball@hexbear.net 5 months ago
Noting that communists weren’t better than Nazis got me called an ungrateful shit for existing (which I apparently owe to Stalin) and banned.
According to the mod logs the only thing you copped a ban for is being uncivil you ungrateful little shit
M0oP0o@mander.xyz 5 months ago
reason: Rule 1
From the modlog that seems to be a ban without explanation, as is tradition. Since there is no explanation on these “rule 1” bans (temporary or not) I tend to take them in the worst possible light. And since the first two (and only other mod actions) where to remove “I’m going to take a wild guess that posters and downvoters in this thread don’t live in actual communist countries. Endorsing hammer and sickle is just as bad as endorsing swastikas…” and “Yeah great, because what we need now is soviet propaganda. This needs to die” according to the mod logs their story checks out.
Alaskaball@hexbear.net 5 months ago
You’re more than entitled to believe anything other than the facts.
M0oP0o@mander.xyz 5 months ago
Facts? What facts? Better be careful with such things, you could be seen as being uncivil.
Also really funny if you read that with some comprehension as “You’re more than entitled to believe anything other than the facts.” implies someone is expected (more then entitled) to believe anything over the facts (so lies). In this context this is chefs kiss amazing.
person1@lemm.ee 5 months ago
Thank you for taking the trouble to fact-check!
dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 5 months ago
Drag is an anarchist and banned from lemmy.ml for being left wing, so drag hopes you will listen with an open mind to this:
Karl Marx said that communism is stateless. That means in communism, the government has no authority to coerce people. Authoritarianism isn’t communism. In fact, Joseph Stalin never claimed that the USSR had achieved communism. He said they’d achieved socialism, and he made empty promises that it would be communist at some point in the future.
You know where communism was actually successfully implemented? America and Australia. Karl Marx and his friends were inspired by the Haudenosaunee people of North America. Marx called it “primitive communism”.
nutomic@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
You are not banned from lemmy.ml
dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 5 months ago
4n41y4no5@crazypeople.online 5 months ago
While the capital-state complex exists, the material reality is that not all states are equal. Internationalism requires us to focus on our own oppressor and trust the rest of the worldwide proletarian to fight theirs in the way they see fit.
As a westerner, I do not have the right to tell Chinese people or any other nation that they live under a dictatorship. I have the duty to fight against the regime I live in. Otherwise, I am only participating in warmongering antagonism that is only benefitting the oligarchy.
dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 5 months ago
Every state burns oil. Therefore every state is oppressing drag. You logic would only work if they weren’t harming everyone. Besides, the Palestinians and the Ukrainians have asked for our help.
4n41y4no5@crazypeople.online 5 months ago
The only Ukrainian person asked me for help getting tf out of the country not to be sent to his death
hakase@lemm.ee 5 months ago
Most of Lemmy is fine - just avoid the tankie triad of lemmygrad, lemmy.ml, and hexbear and you should be good to go.
AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 5 months ago
And if you want instances where holocaust deniers turn their nose up and avoid, consider joining lemmygrad, lemmy.ml and hexbear!
mathemachristian@lemm.ee 5 months ago
Its supposed to be tankie TROIKA 😤
person1@lemm.ee 5 months ago
I can certainly see that Hexbear and the other two are very vocal and toxic here. Engaging in some discussion or getting my views challenged is fine, I’d rather not close myself in a bubble, but it’s sad that they would be so quick to insult and ban you. It does worry that they have some of the biggest communities. I wish I could say “oh well the protocol is neutral” but I think that with most OSS projects it matters tremendously who is at the helm; also, another poster outlined quite well that these instances seem to be the showcase for the system.
peregrin5@lemm.ee 5 months ago
They are only big by number because they are some of the oldest instances. The number of actually active users is less than .world or .ee.
They only seem more active because they are terminally online and have communities that are specifically designed to brigade threads when they don’t like what’s posted.
Ofiuco@lemmy.cafe 5 months ago
nutomic@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
The roadmap contains a new feature for extended instance block, which also blocks all posts and comments from that instance’s users. If some feature is not implemented in Lemmy thats not out of malice, but because we really dont have time to work in everything that people ask for.
github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/5578
4n41y4no5@crazypeople.online 5 months ago
Oh nooo people I disagree with!! Terrible
OpenStars@piefed.social 5 months ago
I moved to PieFed before it was fully ready, and I've been able to personally defederate from lemmy.ml by blocking all users since I did. No admin approval required. That feature alone was worth it to me to put up with the pain of the platform not being ready yet.
Since then, the platform has greatly improved, and now has many MANY features that Lemmy (and a few that even Reddit) lacks. For example the most recent additions are polls and post flairs. Which tbf Lemmy has plans to add, but features languish in its roadmap for multiple years at a time so I would not expect them anytime "soon". Tbf Rust is a difficult language to work with, but that's just all the more reason to love PieFed, written in Python that many more people can contribute to. Which is what has been allowing it to add new features literally weekly as of late.
PieFed is extremely nice - come check it out! Make an account, and by the time you get through the setup wizard you will already have fallen in love with it.:-)