boo hoo someone is to your left politically and you’re mad about it.
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Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 10 months agoLots of tankies from what I’m seeing, they’re the “alt-left” if you will, they believe in just as much weird stuff as the alt-right but are on the left side of the spectrum…
robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 10 months ago
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
The only person that looks mad here is you…
robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 10 months ago
cope
Kuori@hexbear.net 10 months ago
Heck they end up meeting on many things…
name literally a single one or quit spreading this bullshit.
Blamemeta@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Genocide denial.
Egon@hexbear.net 10 months ago
Which genocide?
JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
I had some conversations here. They were saying that China isn’t doing anything to the Uyghurs in Xinjiang. That seems like genocide denial to me.
Venus@hexbear.net 10 months ago
Denounce the US genocide against Martians right now or you’re a genocide denier.
ReadFanon@hexbear.net 10 months ago
Hell yeah I’m a genocide denier.
I deny white genocide without any remorse 😎
brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 10 months ago
So you believe in White Genocide?
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Being pro Russia, genocide denialism, authoritarianism, being hateful of ideas that don’t conform to their worldview, racism (just not towards the same people), the list goes on and on.
PaX@hexbear.net 10 months ago
Hey, I’m a Hexbear user and I really think you have the wrong impression of what our site is. Idk if you’re open to reconsidering or if you’re just trying to get a few antagonistic words in but I’ll tell you my experience as a long time user:
Being pro Russia
Our site isn’t pro-russia. We just want the war to come to a swift end without any further bloodshed. Some people take offense to that because we don’t think the best way to do that is to send more guns, tanks, planes, dollars, etc into the warzone. That benefits no one except the arms manufacturers and the money lenders. Not regular people on either side.
genocide denialism
The only thing I can think of that you would be referring to is the “holodomor” or something similar that happened in the USSR. It’s not that we deny that many people did die in these horrible tragedies or that there wasn’t Soviet government involvement in some of them but that these very real events are being distorted for political reasons by people who want to paint the USSR in a certain, wholly bad, light. As communists (or anarchists), we try to be very open to criticism and new ways of thinking about or doing things but not when the intent is to do historical revisionism to make the people who liberated the concentration camps and ended the crimes of Nazism seem like Nazis under a different name.
Authoritarianism
Well, I guess this is true in a way. As revolutionists, we do seek to change the system by establishing a new authority with the capability to make this change. But have you ever noticed how the current system maintains and perpetuates itself? Sure, you can vote (and we don’t seek to abolish that!), but when that fails and working-class people take to the streets seeking change, why is it that people with guns and tear gas and riot shields try to stop them and maybe even imprison them? It’s not that leftists are uniquely “authoritarian” but that we want to use that authority for representing regular, working-class people and to bring about a better world where that authority isn’t necessary anymore. Our anarchist users probably have a somewhat different take on this but one of them will have to talk about it lol
being hateful of ideas that don’t conform to their worldview
Sure, there are a lot of ideas that we hate. But isn’t that everyone? I hope we could all agree on hating things like fascism, racism, sexism, transphobia, etc etc. Our users probably feel more strongly about that than most people lol but that’s just cuz a lot of us have been targets of those kinds of ideas. Other than stuff like that though… this site has been one of the most accepting places on the Internet in my experience. Sure, we argue a lot (sometimes too zealously lol), but just cuz we care a lot about getting things right. On our site, we don’t have downvotes to encourage users to actually challenge bad ideas and voice their opinion instead of just feeling satisfied having slightly influenced an algorithm.
racism (just not towards the same people)
This just hasn’t been my experience and I know most of our users would agree. Racism gets swiftly removed on Hexbear and lots of people replying challenging it. Do you have any examples? This has just been so contrary to my time on the site. Unless you mean jokes about white people but I hope I don’t have to explain why that’s not a problem lol
Anyway, I just want our instances and our users to exist together in peace. I know we have very “different” ideas from what is considered the mainstream in the west and on most of the English-speaking internet but I know our presence on the “fediverse” can be a positive thing and that we can get along. I hope this helps you to understand our site a bit better.
MonkCanatella@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
The whole “we want to end the war” argument just reeks. It stinks of russian propaganda. Russia started the war. They invaded Ukraine. Would you have the same viewpoint if the US was the invader? I’ve seen that comment several times and it kinda starts sounding like a red fascist dogwhistle
hakase@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Unless by racism you mean racism but I hope I don’t have to explain why racism isn’t a problem lol
Venus@hexbear.net 10 months ago
No one on hexbear is pro-russia, we take genocide far more seriously than the average liberal (when was the last time you saw a liberal who gives a shit about the US’s crimes against natives), we are by far the least racist instance on the entire fediverse.
Your list is bullshit, shut up.
somename@hexbear.net 10 months ago
No one here is pro Russia lol. We just recognize that the war in Ukraine is an intractable meat grinder, and working for peace is more productive than continuing the conflict in an effort to further enrich War Contractors.
YeetPics@mander.xyz 10 months ago
Woah woah woah, calm down there chief.
I have that same opinion having seen hexbear posts for the past 6 months. It’s not invalid because it makes you upset.
brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 10 months ago
“These two groups disagree with me, that means they must agree with each other!”
Doubledee@hexbear.net 10 months ago
Could you provide an example of Hexbears agreeing with the alt-right about something specific? I think a lot of people conflate “disagreeing with the liberal consensus” with “thinking a MAGA thing” when they’re really pretty different.
CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
They are pro Russia.
HornyOnMain@hexbear.net 10 months ago
Hexbear is very categorically not pro Russia, we’re just not pro West
CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
I can’t hear you, the Arms Deliverys to Ukraine are to loud!
Fuck you people. You are pro China and Russia.
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
When being “not pro west” means not analyzing the conflict but simply adopting the same point of view as Russian propaganda just because Ukraine is supported by the west then yeah, you’re pro Russia.
McNasty@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Mostly about China and North Korea.
Alt right and alt left both deny Uyghur camps, and think Kim Jong Un is pretty awesome.
Doubledee@hexbear.net 10 months ago
In my experience alt right folks are pretty anti China, to the point where that is often the reason they oppose the Ukraine war, as it is dividing the attention of the Christian west from the rising, menacing Tigers that threaten white society.
Hexbears are often skeptical of Adrian Zenz who is usually the source of claims about China. Most that I’ve seen acknowledge that there are camps, but disagree that they are as bad as western media depicts them, and would probably argue that western nations are concern trolling about the issue regardless because it is easy to question whether American foreign policy is motivatednby concern for Muslims. Genuinely curious, who is an alt-right guy who doesn’t think there are camps in Xinjiang? I’ve never encountered a pro-Chinese reactionary.
As to Korea I thought MAGA types just memed about Kim Jong Un because Trump sort of got along with him. Hexbears think that the Korean War was bad and that Korea is acting predictably given that a nuclear power is constantly threatening them with annihilation. There are a variety of positions in Hexbear on the DPRK though, and I can’t really account for all of them, but I think they arise out of a genuine anti-imperial and anti-war sentiment, and a healthy doze of skepticism of western narratives of a state enemy. I don’t think you could say that for the alt right.
AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 10 months ago
Trump derangement syndrome is all too real and the proof is how liberals reacted to him trying to end the Korean war.
McNasty@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Same thing with Afghanistan.
RedDawn@hexbear.net 10 months ago
Alt Right and alt left both deny the existence of the tooth fairy
GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 10 months ago
Last I checked the alt right believes them same claims about the world that dems do in terms of the supposed camps, they just think they are good because the alt right hates muslims
NuPNuA@lemm.ee 10 months ago
You guys and the MAGA types seem to have very similar views on the Russia/Ukraine situation at the moment.
Doubledee@hexbear.net 10 months ago
Could you be more specific?
I think, for example, that most alt-right types oppose the war either because of chauvinistic beliefs about American boys and American blood and treasure being spent on foreigners, or because they would like to work together with Russia to counter China and think a war with them hurts the white struggle against the eastern hordes. No one on hexbear would defend either of those positions.
It needs to be more specific than “both of you are against continuing the war.” Just like it wouldn’t be fair for me to accuse you of being alt- right because you and them both agree that there weren’t WMDs in Iraq and that that invasion was sold on false pretenses. You might both technically agree but it would be missing the point.
Estiar@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
It’s theories about how spheres of influence work, that Russia has a right to take over Ukraine, or at least override it politically. Very much similar to Kissinger’s Great power politics in the days of the USSR. It’s somewhat different than the Russian right which is their divine right to Empire, over the Ukrainians and the Poles and Slavic countries in general. The ideologues Ivan Ilyin and Karl Schmidt influence that part. But notably, both parts believe that there’s a place that Russia must dominate in Europe, and that other great powers must not interfere there. Leftists also are influenced by these theories, especially when they remember the reaches of the Iron Curtain far into Central Europe. The USSR had a history of intervening into the politics of its satellite states. Notably in Hungary when there were democratic protests, they sent in tanks to quell the uprising. This theory echoes in 2014 when the Ukrainians changed their government, and Russia invades and annexes Crimea. Many on the far left and far right see the massive protests as creeping American influence that does not belong in the region. They fear NATO expansion as it is a threat to Russia; In the west it’s Russia itself, and in Russia, it’s Russian greatness in Empire.
silent_water@hexbear.net 10 months ago
we want an immediate end to the war. in what way does wanting an end to the death make us comparable with the alt-right?
MonkCanatella@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
How is being pro russia and wanting war to end in any way compatible though? They invaded Ukraine. They literally started a war. That’s a pretty disgusting deflection tbh
Zirconium@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Calling for an immediate end to the war is dishonest and supports Russia
winterayars@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Russia could make that happen, you know. They could pull their forces out. Right now, that would end the conflict.
yuri@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
imagine dying on the “war is bad” hill. i can agree on that point, and i don’t even need to politically align myself with real shitters and make a fool of myself in pseudo-public to do it!
hexi@hexbear.net 10 months ago
I think Belarus should annex both countries.
Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 10 months ago
I find these terms agreeable
Gelamzer@hexbear.net 10 months ago
And you guys and MAGA have similar views on China
AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 10 months ago
“Very” implies you’ve drilled down beyond the very first superficial similarity.
Please offer two things in which we have in common since you’re clearly not just talking out of your ass.