Comment on Suddenly seeing more hexbear posts. Did we re-federate with them?

• PaX@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Do you think “anti-white racism” is even remotely as bad as other forms of racism? Or even a problem at all? White people already have all the privileges bestowed upon them by a fundamentally white-supremacist society. I don’t think making fun of this concept on our tiny social media website is hurting anyone.

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  • hakase@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Do you think “anti-white racism” is even remotely as bad as other forms of racism?

    In the vast majority of cases, no, not even close.

    Or even a problem at all?

    It’s 100% a problem, for multiple reasons. First and foremost, it’s racist, so it’s already inherently a problem for that reason alone. But it’s also a problem because your moralistic self-righteousness combined with your obvious hypocrisy gives people opposed to your ideals that much more ammunition (and of course you don’t care about that, but that itself is also part of the hexbear problem).

    And the worst part is that there’s no reason for it. It’s such an easy problem to fix, and would give an instance like hexbear that supposedly prides itself on its inclusivity such a huge boost in credibility. If you want to set yourselves up as morally unimpeachable, then be morally unimpeachable! Set an actual example, and be leaders that bring people together, not because of compromising your beliefs, but by actually being consistent, steadfast, and intellectually honest about the beliefs you already have.

    And sure, I get the importance of having a place where you can feel comfortable and meme hyperbolically about problems you feel are important, and about the people who don’t agree with you. That seems to be the direction that most hexbears seem to want to go.

    But, in the end, it is racist, and it is disingenuous to promote yourselves as this bastion of anti-racism while encouraging literal racism on your instance and then act all surprised pikachu face when you get called out on it.

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    • PaX@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s 100% a problem, for multiple reasons. First and foremost, it’s racist, so it’s already inherently a problem for that reason alone.

      Nothing is “inherently” anything. What makes, for example, anti-black (as contrary to anti-white) racism bad in spaces like this? It furthers the psychological harm caused by the racist material conditions of white-supremacist society and normalizes these conditions. Racist rhetoric is part of the superstructural justification for these conditions that makes the oppressor feel superior and the oppressed feel inferior and like they deserve it. This contradiction does not exist for white people and that is why anti-white racism effectively does not exist, except maybe beyond a limited level in inter-personal relationships. It might make individual white people feel a little bad but it has no material backing.

      But it’s also a problem because your [hexbear’s] moralistic self-righteousness

      I’m not the one pearl-clutching over anti-white racism.

      combined with your [hexbear’s] obvious hypocrisy gives people opposed to your ideals that much more ammunition (and of course you don’t care about that, but that itself is also part of the hexbear problem).

      This issue doesn’t really give anyone “more ammunition” against us. Part of the reason we do keep these kinds of jokes around (besides being funny) is because it tends to out reactionaries (like how you are being right now).

      And the worst part is that, as with so many of hexbear’s problems, there’s no reason for it. It’s such an easy problem to fix, and would give an instance like hexbear that supposedly prides itself on its inclusivity such a huge boost in credibility.

      I’m pretty sure most of the people making “cracker” jokes on here are white themselves. I don’t think Hexbear is known as the “anti-white” instance lol

      And sure, I get the importance of having a place where you can feel comfortable and meme hyperbolically about problems you feel are important, and about the people who don’t agree with you. That seems to be the direction that most hexbears seem to want to go.

      Yeah, I mean that’s pretty much what Hexbear is. I don’t think anyone here would wants to be “morally-unimpeachable leaders” or even to what end that would be.

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    • Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      i don’t care about being racist toward white ‘people’

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    • infuziSporg@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      “Up yours, woke moralists! 😠 We’ll see who cancels who.”

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• PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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  • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Really? Go tell that to Jews… Or the Irish… Or Acadians… The list goes on and on…

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    • Egon@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You mean all the people that weren’t classified as “white” as they suffered persecution by white people? Okay

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      • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Man, that goalpost must be fucking light for you guys to move it around that often!

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    • PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      anti-italian-action

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      • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Would you also say that black people can’t be racist towards other black people? 'cuz some people in Rwanda would love to have a discussion with you I’m sure! Heck, Haitians would love to talk about Dominicans with you!

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    • Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      can’t be racist against white people

      “goes on to name people crackers excluded from the ‘white’ definition in order to colonize them”

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      • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Oh so the definition of being white varies now? People are dermofluid or something? “I’m white skinned but I’m not white.”

        Also it’s still happening today but you would never admit that a white French Canadian can be the victim of racism because of l they’re skin color somehow makes them immune to it or some shit.

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