Comment on Suspected 4chan Hack Could Expose Longtime, Anonymous Admins

Telorand@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

• cygnus@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  The way you’re describing it, it sounds more like you believe privacy is a privilege, not a right.

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  • cyborganism@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    You mean, people who operate a platform where people’s privacy constantly gets violated should have a right to their own privacy?

    I dunno. I understand your point, but OP is also kind of right.

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    • DoPeopleLookHere@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Rights are unchangeable based on circumstances. They can never be revoked.

      Privlivges can be.

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      • futatorius@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Rights are unchangeable based on circumstances.

        Absolutely false.

        They can never be revoked.

        They’re regularly revoked in all developed countries, mainly as the result of criminal proceedings. Unless you think that prisoners are afforded the same rights as the rest of us?

        And the Enlightenment notion that there are inalienable rights endowed by the Creator is about as quaint as the idea that there’s a Creator. Rights are ideals that must be continually fought for and expanded, not the gift of a beneficent Alpha Male in the Sky

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  • ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    lots of rights get modified, curtailed, or eliminated by the larger society based on misuse or misbehavior or other transgressions.

    (or positions of power, etc…)

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  • Telorand@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    All rights are privileges, if we’re going to be pedantic. This is evidenced by the fact that they can be taken away. Society tends to operate on an unspoken, collective agreement that certain rights should never be violated, but if they were actually intrinsic, we wouldn’t have to fight tooth and nail for them.

    I’m a moral relativist, so if someone is happy to abuse their right to privacy to harm others or otherwise take their rights away, especially the right to privacy, I don’t feel any compunction to draw a hard line and say that the harmful person deserves to keep those rights in spite of their actions.

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    • O4PetesSake@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Those collective agreements include stipulations for what happens to someone who violates other’s rights. They lose some rights themselves.

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    • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      All rights are privileges, if we’re going to be pedantic. This is evidenced by the fact that they can be taken away.

      I know you don’t intend for me to hear this, but I heard George Carlin as you typed that. He has a whole bit on rights vs privileges.

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      • Telorand@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Oh? I’m not that familiar with his comedy, but I probably should get to know it. What little I know I like!

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    • sepi@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      aka the golden rule

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      • Telorand@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        I prefer the platinum rule of humanism, but essentially, yes.

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  • rtxn@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    “Live and let live” obviously doesn’t work. 4chan has done so much damage to the world that I wouldn’t mind seeing their big players in gallows in the town square.

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    • futatorius@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I just want to know who provided them with funding and other support.

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  • pelespirit@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I’d say it’s more like a right that’s been taken away and they’re okay with that.

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  • essteeyou@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    If you’re breaking the law then you forfeit your rights in favor of some much more restrictive ones.

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    • desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      did the moderators violate the law though?

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  • el_muerte@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Do you believe liberty is a right? It’s one of the first laid out in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and yet I don’t think a single signatory nation doesn’t incarcerate people guilty of crime. By your logic, I don’t think there are any true “rights” in existence, because there are circumstance in which any of them can be taken away.

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• oendha@jlai.lu ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  So privacy is a “fundamental” right, except if /u/Telorand@reddthat.com thinks you’re a distasteful individual.

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  • Telorand@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Nope. If you intentionally cause harm to others with said rights. See my reply to someone else who made a similar assumption.

    reddthat.com/comment/18075681

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    • oendha@jlai.lu ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      You’ve made a sweeping generalization in implying that since 4chan “as a platform” has caused harm, then all of its users are guilty/complicit and must relinquish their right to privacy. That and you’re still misunderstanding the meaning of “fundamental” in this case, since that adjective would suggest that the right in question is not counted among those that would be taken away from you in case of moral/legal transgressions.

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      • Telorand@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        No, I understand just fine. You’re ignoring the part where I said rights aren’t actually fundamental or intrinsic. They’re privileges society treats that way, and like other privileges, they can be taken away.

        In any case, if you go to a well-known Nazi bar on purpose, what does that make you? People who go to 4chan on purpose aren’t innocent victims, and their potential loss of privacy is justifiable considering how much harm has come just from there.

        If you use your rights (i.e. social privileges) to purposely cause harm, or to support platforms or causes that are well-known to cause harm, there should be consequences.

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• badmin@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Your perception of that site is either severely outdated, or taken from CNN 🙂

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  • Telorand@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Oh, you sweet summer child.

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    • badmin@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      >regurgitates meme-ish mainstream media perception of the now defunct site which became increasingly normie-friendly over the years
      >gets squeamish if any view that veers ever so lightly outside the Overton window doesn’t get immediately deplatformed
      >calls out raids, not knowing that it was the raiders who killed the now defunct site
      >doesn’t know/recognize that the most harmful ideology of all (belief in the modern nation state and the world order) doesn’t get deplatfomed almost anywhere
      >retorts with the most retarded Redditism

      maybe you should GO BACK to r*ddit, if you ever left in the first place 🙂

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      • starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        yeah didn’t most of the hate mobs just move to kiwifarms?

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