We’ve been without a lot of things for millennia
Comment on France to ban students from keeping smartphones in schools
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 week ago
Good, you don’t need smart phones in school
For anyone screeching that you do: No. You don’t.
We’ve been without smart phones for millenia, literally, and we were fine without. You will be fine without.
LaggyKar@programming.dev 1 week ago
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 1 week ago
For me school was a great way to learn almost nothing of any use while occupying 11 years of my life with pointless time filing busywork that I hated every hour, minute and each and every eternal second of of. The only thing worse than school has been work and my consolation is that at least it’s not forever!
CalipherJones@lemmy.world 1 week ago
And yet here you are writing English.
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 1 week ago
That doesn’t take even 1% of 11 years
Ibuthyr@lemmy.wtf 6 days ago
No, but everything else combined does. You wouldn’t even be able to perform basic multiplication tasks without school, let alone solve more complex problems. School teaches you the basics for higher education, be it Uni or vocational school.
LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 1 week ago
You wish you would have been home schooled?
To be honest I’m disappointed we haven’t seen more progress into “VR schools” yet. Where you are fully submerged into a learning experience. While your blood is constantly analyzed and drugs to increase concentration and energy levels are dispensed. Ok maybe not the last part.
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 1 week ago
I wish it didn’t waste most of my youth
LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 1 week ago
Well who doesn’t once they get older haha. But I seriously wish I wouldn’t have had a laptop or smartphone with keyboard and typed everything I learned as a question / answer flashcard. So I can review them. Some kind of flow inducing learning environment. Of course everyone learns differently, but I imagine there are huge gains possible with software and learning courses with current technology.
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
Yeah who needs the wheel either? We survived 450,000 years without it. And don’t get me started on paper. Paper can be used to make paper airplanes or spitballs. What a distraction! Kids should chisel their assignments onto stone slates like our ancestors did.
CalipherJones@lemmy.world 1 week ago
If wheels could brainwash a kid, completely distract them, and make them throw a tantrum when you take it away then we might have to worry about them.
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
Literally anything can distract kids and make them throw a tantrum when you take it away. Have you ever met a child?
Verat@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
Except they can, remember fidget spinners?
musubibreakfast@lemm.ee 1 week ago
No, you’re being facetious. Go sit in the corner.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
I understand the paper, but why do they need wheels? Why are you leaving out guns?
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
why do they need wheels?
Carts, busses. There’s wheels in lots of stuff.
Why are you leaving out guns?
Well, you see, unlike the wheel/paper/mini computers with built in calculators calendars document editors email and research tools, guns serve no legitimate purpose in a school.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
Do they not have full sized computers? It’s dubious that there is any legitimate educational value to smartphones in schools either.
Dil@is.hardlywork.ing 1 week ago
People werent fine either, why dont you just google 911 calls from kids and see how many would have been better off without phones
Pika@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
I wanna preface this with I had a small keyboard slide phone in school, not a smart phone by today’s standards, but I am firmly against this archaic mentality.
It doesn’t address the elephant in the room, classrooms have become painstakingly boring. There is no real incentive for the student to actually do well anymore, or even pay attention. This is exclusively for the k-12 system though, as the issues seem to have become non-existent entering the college and university system. I went from being a solid D/C student in high-school to being an A/B+ student going into college
I spent my time in grade school fucking around and barely paying attention, this was without a smart phone. I couldn’t keep focused on the class subjects, and so therefore I gave up. The college system has the process downpacked, it’s laid back, not hours on end in a row learning useless shit you won’t need, and you have the freedom to either listen or don’t, there isn’t the constant pressure from professors “You are failing you need to do better” like in high school. Plus the professors seem actually happy to be there and they make the content more enjoyable, its not just droning on and on on a subject.
The only things removing a phone from a classroom is going to do is remove a potential learning tool, and just annoying your students even further. If your student doesn’t want to learn, removing items isn’t magically going to make the kid learn. Make it entertaining, do something OTHER than this stupid info cram shit where you just regurgitate information constantly. There is zero incentive on almost every subject you learn to actually want to learn it. You don’t learn any type of life skills, you don’t learn anything for your career/future. Hell they don’t even teach cursive anymore. My sister couldn’t even read a physical clock entering 7th grade. They don’t teach it. But you can bet things like “what happens in the 16th century” will be taught, or what basic cell structure is (I couldn’t tell you, I forgot all that info leaving that class room).
Like I get needing to know history, and basic mathematics, but the current schooling system is a overburdened plug of useless information for society. Everyone knows it, everyone lies to their kid saying things like “yea you will definitely need to know what beware the ides of march means in life”. If things that people knew would be useful in life, and it wasn’t just a professor saying “ok class open your book, this is the lesson” for 3/4 of the year, you might have a better student attention span.
Miaou@jlai.lu 6 days ago
We oughtta send the kids to the mines again, god forbid they might discover something they never knew they’d like studying at school.
BlackArtist@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Type 1 diabetics would like a word.
TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 6 days ago
For anyone screeching that you do: No. You don’t
I have a feeling that you haven’t gone to school recently. It doesn’t work the same way anymore.
Educational resources are blocked that you literally cannot do your assignments without accessing. Teachers will tell you to use your phone.phoenixz@lemmy.ca 14 hours ago
Do I really need to explain this? I guess I do
I’m sure there are classes in school now that require a phone. There better be, kids need to learn how to properly and responsibly use them. Having said that, 90% of other classes never required and still do not require a phone.
Phones are an extreme distraction to the learning process and coupled with social media, harmful to the development of the brain. This is not news, this has been known for a while.
This is not fascism, this is not me trying to be a dick this is simply kids needing to be away from their phone for a few hours per day and everyone is losing their minds because OMG, how are we going to make it without phones? Such opinions alone are reason enough to ban phones in schools. Learn ti be a human being first.
TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 9 hours ago
If we’re talking about how it SHOULD be, the educational system to properly teach kids knowledge about life and not encouraging cheating (which a teacher has implied to do before) on some math equations.
never required and still do not require a phone
If your teacher does their job and teaches, sure. In the modern age where the teacher just tells you to “google it” then you DO Google it and it’s blocked, yes you DO need a way to get information related to your studies online.
As an example:
I need to make an essay on a song… that I can’t access because it’s blocked. Literally today.Phones are an extreme distraction to the learning process and coupled with social media…
I do agree with your reasoning though. Ideally the schools provided resources would be able to do this. However due to the fact that we have 2 IT guys for 4 schools, 6,000 students assuming similar size, there’s not enough people to actually make stuff work.
Dil@is.hardlywork.ing 1 week ago
we didnt have clean drinking water either, or daily showers, we lived without soap for millenia
Olap@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Lol, we definitely have had clean drinking water for far longer than we have had dirty drinking water, thank the industrial revolution for that. And try skipping a shower for a day - you’ll be fine. Soap also has a long history www.soaphistory.net/soap-history/ over 4000 years
So literally wrong on all three points. Perhaps you need to read more instead of doom scrolling and swapping nudes on your smartphone
aeshna_cyanea@lemm.ee 1 week ago
I’m pretty sure there can be other bad stuff in water that existed before industrial pollution
Olap@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Sure, loads of sewage. But it also had smaller settlements, less people, and human waste was recycled more in times gone by too. Far more water was far more drinkable even 150 years ago
Dil@is.hardlywork.ing 1 week ago
“So literally wrong on all three points. Perhaps you need to read more instead of doom scrolling and swapping nudes on your smartphone” This made me feel like I was on reddit not lemmy lmao
Olap@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Old habits die hard. But the most teenager comment I have seen on lemmy needed a rebuttal
unconfirmedsourcesDOTgov@lemmy.sdf.org 1 week ago
Motherfucker how long do you think humans have been around for? Okay, sure, soap has been around for like 6k years, wow, such a long time. Modern humans have been fumbling around figuring shit out like an untrained ai model for the last 60k-160k years. Quick math shows us that for somewhere between 54k and 154k years of our history as a species, no soap. MILLENIA!
Drinking water: you’re making a distinction between clean, as in unpolluted by chemicals and other substances, and cleaned drinking water, which has been processed by humans to make it fit to drink with a lower risk of causing illness. Clean water has obviously been around for eons, but cleaned water, as I believe OP was describing, is a much more modern concept.
Showers: “try skipping a shower for a day”? Motherfucking neckbeard no, shower every fucking day. Try it, people might find you somewhat less repulsive until you open your mouth.
Olap@lemmy.world 1 week ago
To get back on topic: I bet you pull your phone out at the urinal