Comment on The best thing *you* can do for the fediverse is *just be kind*

• jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  The basic problem is thinking that conquering somebody is natural, inevitable, or good.

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  • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    oh yes i forgot about canada and greenland somehow, sorry

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    • SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Right wing ideologies hinge on distracting people from their problems instead of solving them.

      This arracts exclusively con men and dumb marks.

      And the distractions they choose always end up being the erasure of minorities.

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  • Shardikprime@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I mean

    It’s been happening for the 99.9% of human existence

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    • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      proof?

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      • williams_482@startrek.website ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        There was organized violence deployed by groups of humans against other groups of humans long, long before anything we would recognize as warfare. Particularly brutal violence too, because the objective was not to conquer other people (something which only makes sense once agriculture is the dominant mode of sustinence), but to either drive off or exterminate a rival group so you can use their territory for yourself.

        And we don’t even need to talk about people here: we have records of chimpanzees fighting small scale wars of harassment and extermination against neighboring groups.

        Pre-modern, pre-civilization, pre-aggriculture, pre-you-name-it human life was far more violent than what we deal with today.

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    • FilthyHookerSpit@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Doesn’t make it right. This is a civilized age and we must forever push for progress.

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      • Shardikprime@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        No one said it was

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    • SpicyColdFartChamber@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      We also didn’t have modern medicine for 99.9% of human existence. Want to return to that?

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      • Shardikprime@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Who said that?

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    • shaggyb@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Same with smallpox.

      And we’re capable of better now.

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• FilthyHookerSpit@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  In America, right wingers support the republicans who have a verified track record of taking rights away, cheating elections and straight up lying. By refusing the see any other point of view, they reject open mindedness. They are unyielding in their beliefs and that is dangerous. It’s whats led to the current affairs of the USA. Theyve been swindled for years. The thing I hate most of all is there core principle is hate. They hate minorities, immigrants, foreigners and gays. They always have some justification for it. "Gays are cross dressing and confusing my children. Gays are indecent. Minorities are abusing social programs. Jewish people are running criminal cabals. (Etc. etc.)

  You’ll have the “oh well I don’t support THAT part of my political party but shrug nothing we can do 🙂” publicans but don’t do anything or even CRITICIZE it. And those that try to refute these points either outright deny that its true or use whataboutism.

  I will end this by saying I have right winger friends who are radicalizing away from me and I’m trying my hardest to show them that core beliefs of comraderie and compassion is far superior to the kool aid they’re being forced fed by all major social media companies.

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  • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    actually let me think about it again:

    IMO that somebody’s always hateful is typically a sign of enormous psychological/emotional stress. so that tells me these people have a lot of problems, and probably don’t know how to deal with the world. i wonder what education would do to them.

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    • FilthyHookerSpit@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      The thing is, hate has varying degrees. There is: slight disregard up to boiling rage. But the root is the same. They hate those that are different and the higher ups need a Boogeyman to point their capitalistism caused depression to.

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• Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  The main thing is the bigotry and making marginalized people feel unwelcome and unsafe. Having trans people and Nazis existing in the same space isn’t really tenable, in practice, most marginalized people would rather be in a space where they’re existence and basic rights aren’t up for debate and where they won’t receive slurs and threats of violence. So the question is, who would you rather have in your community, oppressor or oppressed?

  Of course, this person applies this standard blindly by including “tankies” as “right-wingers.” She’s just abusing a valid argument by using it to dismiss any perspective she doesn’t like, left or right, bigoted or accepting, bad faith or good faith, as “right-wing.”

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