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MacNCheezus@lemmy.today ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• WhatSay@slrpnk.net ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Yeah, but not with stones 🪨

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  • MacNCheezus@lemmy.today ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Important distinction

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• riskable@programming.dev ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I believe the lesson here is that marijuana just isn’t toxic enough to kill anyone.

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  • MacNCheezus@lemmy.today ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Is marijuana atheist? I mean, it has Mary in the name. Also, Rastafarians consider it a holy plant and use it for sacramental purposes.

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    • riskable@programming.dev ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That’s a good point. Many do seem to worship the holy blunt 🤔

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• frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Killing Nazis is good

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  • MacNCheezus@lemmy.today ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Not sure how to break this to you, but he killed far more of his own people than Nazis.

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    • PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’m not gonna stand here and defend a bad man, but I still feel like there is important nuance that is being left out, when you’re comparing him to the likes of Hitler. I feel like they’re different levels of bad.

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      • MacNCheezus@lemmy.today ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        At how many million deaths would you draw the line between a bad man and a good man?

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• DarkCloud@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Not directly. The conman Lysenko, originator of Lysenkoism was. Stalin didn’t aim intentionally to create mass starvation in Soviet Russia. Nor did Mao in Chin, these were issues of understanding science which we tale for granted today but weren’t well understood at the time.

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  Wikipedia:

  Before the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the archival revelations, some historians estimated that the numbers killed by Stalin’s regime were 20 million or higher.[5][6][7] After the Soviet Union dissolved, evidence from the Soviet archives was declassified and researchers were allowed to study it. This contained official records of 799,455 executions (1921–1953),[8][9][10][11][12] around 1.5 to 1.7 million deaths in the Gulag,[13][14][15] some 390,000[16] deaths during the dekulakization forced resettlement, and up to 400,000 deaths of persons deported during the 1940s,[17] with a total of about 3.3 million officially recorded victims in these categories.[18] According to historian Stephen Wheatcroft, approximately 1 million of these deaths were “purposive” while the rest happened through neglect and irresponsibility.[2] The deaths of at least 5.5 to 6.5 million[19] persons in the Soviet famine of 1932–1933 are sometimes included with the victims of the Stalin era.[2][20]

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  • MacNCheezus@lemmy.today ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    So we’re just going to ignore the ~800k executions and the ~1.5M gulag deaths?

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    • DarkCloud@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Where’s it say to do that?

      Why would correcting one point of fact mean ignoring another? That’s not how truth works.

      Two statements can both be true at the same time.

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      • MacNCheezus@lemmy.today ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        You were making a case that Stalin wasn’t responsible for the holodomor, but you ignored the fact that even without that, he’s still directly responsible for at least 2 million deaths.

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