It’s a side effect of privacy and security. The one side effect they’re trying to use to undermine all of the privacy and security.
taladar@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Does it feel odd to anyone else that a platform for something this universally condemned in any jurisdiction can operate for 4 years, with a catchy name clearly thought up by a marketing person, its own payment system and nearly six figure number of videos? I mean even if we assume that some of those 4 years were intentional to allow law enforcement to catch as many perpetrators as possible this feels too similar to fully legal operations in scope.
x00z@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
TheProtagonist@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
This has nothing to do with privacy! Criminals have their techniques and methods to protect themselves and their “businesses” from discovery, both in the real world and in the online world. Even in a complete absence of privacy they would find a way to hide their stuff from the police - at least for a while.
In the real world, criminals (e.g. drug dealers) also use cars, so you could argue, that druck trafficking is a side effect of people having cars…
Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Well, it does have to do with privacy and security, it just doesn’t matter if it’s legal or not for them. These people (in the US) always make a point that criminals will buy guns whether it’s legal or not, but then they’ll argue they need to destroy privacy because criminals are using it. It doesn’t make sense, but it doesn’t need to because honesty or consistency aren’t important.
x00z@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
This platform used Tor. And because we want to protect privacy, they can make use of it.
sleen@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
This particular platform used tor. It doesn’t mean all platforms are using privacy centric anonymous networks. There are incidents with people using kik, Snapchat, Facebook and other clear net services to perform criminal actions such as drugs or cp.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
with a catchy name clearly thought up by a marketing person
A marketing person? They took “Netflix” and changed the first three letters lol
taladar@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
So you are saying it is too creative for the average person in marketing?
imetators@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
Exactly! There are plethora of *flix sites out there including adult ones. It does not take much of marketing skill to name site like this.
lumony@lemmings.world 3 weeks ago
It would feel odd, but you have to remember we live in a world where Epstein was allowed to get away with what he did until the little people found out.
Geetnerd@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Epstein was very smart, and figured out early on there were many, many rich pedophiles.
So, he got buddy buddy with them, supplied young girls to them.
BUT, he filmed the encounters in secret, and blackmailed the shit out of these people.
He was smart enough to become obscenely rich on Wall Street legitimately, but he liked to bang little girls, found other who did, and then extorted them.
There’s an anecdote about how when Epsteing was holding court with other Aristos, they would bring up any random subject, to get his opinion.
What would he say? “What does that have to do with pussy?”
Many, many people have verified that. But because we was filthy rich, everyone just laughed, and blew it off.
Epstein was murdered. I’m not a conspiracy nut. It’s just blatantly obvious. The 2 guards on duty admitted to fucking off (bribed,) and were aquitted.
Ledericas@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
trump was his most frequent guest, and he trump had his goon do everything in his power to get rid of the evidence when he was still alive. alot of politicians of different countries are part of it, as are hollywood execs, weinstein was probably the most infamous one.
Geetnerd@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
This kind of thing is rampant. And it’s not just little girls.
Heard from Bryan Singer, lately? Corey Feldman’s story about he, and Corey Haim confirm it.
sleen@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
With the amount of sites that are easily accessed on the dark net though the hidden wiki and other sites. This might as well be a honeypot from the start. And it’s doesn’t only apply to cp but to drugs, fake ids and other shit.
quack@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
No judge would authorise a honeypot that runs for multiple years, hosting original child abuse material meaning that children are actively being abused to produce content for it. That would be an unspeakable atrocity. A few years ago the Australian police seized a similar website and ran it for a matter of weeks to gather intelligence and even that was considered too far for many.
sleen@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
“That would be an unspeakable atrocity”, yet there is contradiction in the final sentence. The issue is, what evidence is there to prove such thing operation actually works, as my last point implied - what stops the government from abusing this sort of operation. With “covert” operations like this the outcome can be catastrophic for everyone.
swelter_spark@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
It definitely seems weird how easy it is to stumble upon CP online, and how open people are about sharing it, with no effort made, in many instances, to hide what they’re doing. I’ve often wondered how much of the stuff is spread by pedo rings and how much is shared by cops trying to see how many people they can catch with it.
Cryophilia@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
If you have stumbled on CP online in the last 10 years, you’re either really unlucky or trawling some dark waters. This ain’t 2006. The internet has largely been cleaned up.
swelter_spark@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
I don’t know about that.
I spot most of it while looking for out-of-print books about growing orchids on the typical file-sharing networks. The term “blue orchid” seems to be frequently used in file names of things that are in no way related to gardening. The eMule network is especially bad.
When I was looking into messaging clients a couple years ago, to figure out what I wanted to use, I checked out a public user directory for the Tox messaging network and it was maybe 90% people openly trying to find, or offering, custom made CP. On the open internet, not an onion page or anything.
Then maybe last year, I joined openSUSE’s official Matrix channels, and some random person (who, to be clear, did not seem connected to the distro) invited me to join a room called openSUSE Child Porn, with a room logo that appeared to be an actual photo of a small girl being violated by a grown man.
I hope to god these are all cops, because I have no idea how there can be so many pedos just openly doing their thing without being caught.
Cryophilia@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
typical file-sharing networks
Tox messaging network
Matrix channels
I would consider all of these to be trawling dark waters.
veeloth@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
not stumbled upon it but I’ve met a couple people offering it on mostly normal discord servers
Ledericas@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
most definitely not clean lmao, your just not actively searching for it, or stumbling onto it.
Cryophilia@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
That’s…what I said.
LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Search “AI woman porn miniskirt,” and tell me you don’t see questionable results in the first 2 pages, of women who at least appear possibly younger than 18.
Fuck, the head guy of Reddit, u/spez, was the main mod of r/jailbait before he changed the design of reddit so he could hide mod names. Also, look into the u/MaxwellHill / Ghilisaine Maxwell conspiracy on Reddit.
Cryophilia@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Search “AI woman porn miniskirt,”
Did it with safesearch off and got a bunch of women clearly in their late teens or 20s. Plus, I don’t want to derail my main point but I think we should acknowledge the difference between a picture of a real child actively being harmed vs a 100% fake image. I didn’t find any AI CP, but even if I did, it’s in an entire different universe of morally bad.
r/jailbait
That was, what, fifteen years ago? It’s why I said “in the last decade”.
Ledericas@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
it can hide in plain sight, and then when you dig into someones profile, it can lead to someone or a group discussing CSAM and beastility, not just CP. like a site similar to r/pics, or porn site.
swelter_spark@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
I can definitely see how people could find it while looking for porn. I don’t understand how people can do this stuff out in the open with no consequences .
Ledericas@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
yea its often hidden too well to be easily found out and authorities might want to gather evidence so they let it accumulate then they pounce. one of the sites was mostly inneundos and talking about commiting it, but not actually distributing the material, they co-opt certain images to pervert it.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
universally condemned
There are a few countries that would disagree
taladar@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Which countries do you have in mind where videos of sexual child abuse are legal?
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Context is important I guess. So two things.
Is something illegal if it’s not prosecuted?
Is it CSA if the kid is 9 but that’s marrying age in that country?
If you answer yes, then no, then we’ll not agree on this topic.
taladar@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
I am not talking about CSA, I am talking about video material of CSA. Most countries with marriage ages that low have much more wide-spread bans on videos including sex of any kind.
As for prosecution, yes, it is still illegal if it is not prosecuted. There are many reasons not to prosecute something ranging all the way from resource and other means related concerns to intentionally turning a blind eye and only a small minority of them would lead that country to actively sabotage a major international investigation, especially after the trade-offs are considered (such as loss of international reputation by refusing to cooperate).
Rob1992@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Pick any country where child marriage is legal and where women are a object the man owns
deegeese@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
Illegal business can operate online for a long time if they have good OpSec. Anonymous payment systems are much easier these days because of cryptocurrencies.
BlueEther@no.lastname.nz 3 weeks ago
Is that why Trump is so for them?
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Yeah, more or less