Sanctions are bullshit economic violence. This is a great example.
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prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks agoRussia is being sanctioned because of its aggressive war against Ukraine.
Microsoft aren’t the bad guys for enforcing international sanctions.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Probably better this economic violence than I dunno, the physical violence Russia has exerted on the Ukrainian populace?
lumony@lemmings.world 4 weeks ago
Not sure why you’re arguing “better” when we have both.
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I don’t think we’re currently doing nothing of those things to Russia.
prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
K
Helkriz@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
So what about the organic map users. They should ban the contributor if they need to ban it soo bad.
unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 4 weeks ago
that’s practically impossible. TOR is alive and well, as if any rando in any country sanctioned by the u.s. cares.
of course they could Great China Firewall the shit out of everything and still fail.
but we’re on the downward spiral, so be gleeful!
yuriRO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
So a person that happens to be iving in a sanctioned country, makes them banned? Bullshit
prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
Yes. That’s how sanctions work.
Part of the intention is to pressure citizens of the country for violating international law so they exert pressure on their governments to stop.
Another part is to remove the use of tooling.
Russia could stop the war and problem is solved. This isn’t Microsoft being the bad guy, this is Microsoft following international law.
planish@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
Does that work?
Is it right to tell random people “hey you, it’s your job to break local laws and topple your dictator, we could invade you with actual trained military people but that would be inconvenient for us”?
keegomatic@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
“Is it right?” Are you kidding? Yes, it’s obviously a better alternative than invading another country and killing people. It’s one of the ways we have learned, as a species, to avoid massive wars and losses of life. If you’re advocating for war as an alternative then you should fuck off and die so you don’t get other people killed in the process.
ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 4 weeks ago
Is a strictly enforced economic sanction better than an all out regime change invasion/occupation of another sovereign country that costs the lives of millions… we’ll have to get back to you on that one.
lumony@lemmings.world 4 weeks ago
No, it’s not right.
People on these forums have been conditioned to see the world through their fairytale-lens and nothing else, though.
A part of oppression is removing people’s ability to fight back. Anyone who holds the average Russian responsible for the war is just playing into the hands of the cabal. It’s like they never heard of Navalny, or any other Russian dissenters.
These people need our help. We shouldn’t victim-blame them and say they need to topple a dictator all on their own.
Same goes for North Korea.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 weeks ago
I assume most Russian GitHub users use a VPN to avoid it. He has chosen not to in order to make a point.
The real worry is what happens when the US declares sanctions on random allies in their stupid “trade war”…
ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 4 weeks ago
Once the US starts saying that nobody who trades with the US can deal with Canada, Denmark, Mexico, etc… then it starts to get interesting.
philpo@feddit.org 4 weeks ago
Or if the US fucks up enough for the rest of the world to put a UNO reverse card on the US. If China and the EU do that, the US is fucked within a few months. A “you can’t trade with either of these markets when you trade with the US” would be interesting.
And tbh, from what I gather it’s absolutely a option that is being discussed in diplomatic circles. The main reason it’s not on the table is the huge amount of debts the USA has in China. And the EU will use it as a backup arrow for “further escalation”. Maybe someone should tell Trump who actually delivers the machines for the factories he wants to “bring back”. Hint: It’s not the US.
Litebit@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
yes, that is the purpose of sanction. to target the lowest rung of society for supporting and promoting the invasion of Ukraine.
philpo@feddit.org 4 weeks ago
Yes,you understand how sanctions work.
A person living in a sanctioned country can also no longer buy certain things, travel to certain countries or use certain services. You couldn’t buy a Boeing Plane during WW2 in Germany as well…
And considering that Russia is waging a fucking genocidal war and a hybrid war in Europe and a majority (according to relatively independent statistics) of the population stil supports that shit and has done so for a long time (when they still could have changed course) it’s god damn right these sanctions exist.
BTW: Cuba is being sanctioned by the US for simply nationalising US held companies (Fidel Castro wasn’t that much of a communist in the beginning) since 1960 and basically none gave or gives a rats ass.
lumony@lemmings.world 4 weeks ago
Most Russians are afraid to talk about politics at all. Their responses when questioned are either “I agree with what the government is doing” or “I don’t talk politics.”
We should be strengthening our ties with these oppressed people in order to help them, and help Ukraine as a result. Instead we’re doing the “average intelligence” play of furthering their oppression while funneling money to the MIC.
This war has been a great example of how many useful idiots are around us.
lumony@lemmings.world 4 weeks ago
It is bullshit, you’re right.